Bill Weintraub

Re: A pal, a play mate and a dude

6-26-2005

Thanks Griffin.

I'm glad the site and the Alliance are here for you.

when i was 15, all my friends were gay and they were very effeminate, and at that time, i had the strong feeling that that wasn't what i've wanted so i became very confused and afraid.

I told myself I'd like to be with a guy but not be effeminate, just buddies, just my pal, my playmate and my dude.

This was true of me too.

When I was 15, I knew I was gay in the sense of being strongly attracted to other guys.

But I wasn't effeminate.

So there was, I thought, no place for me to be.

Cause I wasn't "straight" and I wasn't "gay" in the way the culture expected me to be.

I was just this guy who wanted to fight, and love, another man.

Another man with a warrior's heart.

Where could I find such a man?

So far as I knew, I was unique.

What the buttfuck-effeminacy crowd, who contend with us on every tiny point -- and I'm going to be posting about a particularly egregious example of that soon -- what the effeminists refuse to recognize is how OPPRESSIVE their ideology is to men like ourselves.

And how DESTRUCTIVE it is in our lives.

If a tranny prostitute gets beat up, they call for an act of Congress.

But for the vast majority of men who are attracted to other men and who at the same time are masculine, they have no sympathy.

Our masculinity, in their eyes, condemns us, because masculinity, they believe, is the root of all evil.

When they're out cruising, of course, most of these same effeminist ideologues are only interested in "straight-acting" men.

And they cruise incessantly because sex after all is their only reason for being.

But they won't support men who take open pride in their masculinity because that would put them in dutch with their feminist allies and disjoint their theories of patriarchy.

NO MORE.

They won't support us -- fine.

We won't support them or effeminacy in any form.

Effeminacy buys into the central lie of the oppressor: that men who love men aren't real men, but a species of pseudo-woman.

We're not.

We're men.

And we have the right to make love as men: phallus to phallus.

An anus is not a vagina, it's not genital tissue, and as men who love men we have as much right as men who love women to sex which is mutually and simultaneously genital.

"I told myself I'd like to be with a guy but not be effeminate, just buddies, just my pal, my playmate and my dude."

Right Griffin.

And you have a God-given right to be with a man that way: with a man as a man, with a dude as a dude.

God made men so that they could easily, naturally, and readily make love as men, phallus to phallus.

Your ability to make love that way is part of your birthright as a man.

No one, and most especially not the effeminists, has the right to take that from you.

It affected me, my perspective in life, and most of all my scholarship for medical education, partly though. i knew i could do it but once the thought of excellence came into view, i got scared because excellence attracted attention and i didn't want that attention because of who and what i am. so i had to quit before i destroyed everything.

Unfortunately, this is very common.

Gay men under-achieving because they fear attention.

It's part of what naked wrestler calls "the fag sports thing."

By which he means gay-identified kids avoiding high school sports because they're afraid they'll get hard when among their mates and be exposed as gay.

In reality, straight-identified guys get hard-ons in athletic situations and in other all-male venues all the time.

But they laugh it off because they have girlfriends, and no one questions their straight credentials.

The gay kids, by contrast, fear exposure, and so cut themselves off from some of the most important and traditionally masculine activities.

In naked wrestler's case, he didn't go out for wrestling in high school, even though he loved it and had great aptitude for it, because he was afraid of his erotic feelings.

So he didn't start wrestling till college, and by that time he was underskilled, and was training with and competing against guys who'd been wrestling since their early teens.

He got trounced.

He got beat up so badly on a regular basis that he eventually left the team.

Later in life, once he understood the "fag sports thing," he went back to wrestling, trained hard, competed in the gay olympics, and is now training in submission fighting.

Which he loves.

And for which he has both the body and the aptitude.

But -- tragically -- he missed out on about two decades of his life when he was in his prime physically and when he could have been wrestling and relating to his fellow men as a fighter.

Which is what he is.

In Griffin's case, he dropped out of med school.

Not unusual.

Look at medicine, and look at how many gay male nurses there are.

Many of those men -- probably most -- have the scientific ability and the smarts to go to medical school.

But they don't.

They choose a traditionally feminine vocation which fits with the subculture's effeminist view of men who have sex with men.

Of course many of those gay male nurses are terrific at their jobs.

I encountered some when I was caring for my late lover and I was certainly glad they were there.

But at the same time I couldn't help looking at them and thinking, yeah, but you could have been a doctor dude.

And I think in many cases what held them back was the sense that because they were gay, they couldn't be in that traditional male role.

So this is another way in which the effeminate expectation of gay men is destructive and very limiting.

We need to recognize that effeminacy is not inherent, it is rather a response to a societal expectation, and that both the expectation and the response are extremely destructive.

And that the expectation of effeminacy, which originally came out of the majority culture, is now being maintained, for ideological reasons, by the minority culture itself.

So this is a prime example of a minority internalizing its oppression.

Not unusual.

Many Black people believed, at one time, that Blacks were by nature slavish.

And many Jews thought they were by nature acquisitive.

What's appalling in the gay community is that the leadership itself supports the oppressive ideology.

Which is almost beyond belief.

But they get away with it, as we'll see in a forthcoming post, because no one challenges them on it.

Except us.

We challenge them.

And you all know how alternately infuriated and frantic that challenge has made them.

To which I say: good.

When what we're doing strengthens men like Griffin and pisses the analists off -- I know what we're doing is right.

Thank you again Griffin; and welcome to the Alliance.

Justin

Re: A pal, a play mate and a dude

6-29-2005

Hey Griffin- This quite honestly is exactly how i feel... im sorry i can type much b/c my arms are killing me (outside fertilizing the yard)...i just saw your post and thought id say hey...(this may be unrealted but are you wiccan?)

Thanks...

Justin

griffin

Re: A pal, a play mate and a dude

7-11-2005

thanks for the response guys...really appreciated it...thank you bill...justin...this was a great experience for me..the site..the truth..the peace that it gave me...i'm more clarified now and i feel great...tnx again...

griffin