Jess

Re: Analist Follies

11-29-2002

Just to throw in my own two cents into this posting

1) You almost can not win with the statement. If you say you were not close to your father, you were repressed and if you say you were close to your father, that makes you homosexual and wanting to do it with your father. Personally, I was semi close to my father. He was a busy man but always made time to hang with me.

2) Fact: Aside from dolphins, humans are the only other currently known creatures to have sex for pleassure and not just reproduction. But ask a leading scientist what the dolphins are doing and no matter what the circumstances, they will say they are having sex. hmmm.....maybe we should just call ourselves dolphins..I am a Pisces HEHEHEHEH

3) Looking at the number of divorces by husbands and wives in the western hemisphere in the last year, I would say this statement is pure BONK. The fact is that today it is hard for anyone to survive living alone. Alot of people are getting married for sheer convienience, not love. (I know most of my friends did that) and most of them end in divorce. Meanwhile guys who are into frottage are looking for love. REAL LOVE. I guess that makes us the oddballs.

As to the rest of the post. I agree 153%. The anus was not meant to be penetrated. It is not a sexual organ. And severe damage can be done by anal sex. I personally still can not understand why anyone would want to do this to begin with.

Bill Weintraub

Re: Analist Follies

11-30-2002

thanks jess

in the various essays located in the Frot: The Next Sexual Revolution section of the site, I talk about why anal sex became so prevalent among gay men, and i encourage site visitors to spend some time with those essays

basically, anal sex enables gay men to mimic heterosexuality, and heterosexuality is the primary model for sexuality in our society

so while in the last five years we've seen more tolerance of homosexuals as individuals, society itself remains overwhelmingly heterosexual, and virtually all models of sexuality are heterosexual -- or, in the case of gay men, mimic heterosexuality

what we're offering on this site is a model of homosex which does *not* mimic heterosex -- rather it's an act which is uniquely male

and that's perhaps part of the reason that straight-identified guys are attracted to cock2cock

but i don't want to overstate that

the straight guys on this site, like the gay guys, have had cock2cock fantasies and desires since at least puberty, and usually before

and that's why we describe frot as natural -- it's not a learned behavior, nor is it an acquired taste

rather frot is something which guys imagine and discover on their own, totally independent of societal and subcultural expectations

and to which they remain emotionally loyal despite great and sometimes terrible pressure to conform

bbb@bbb.com

Re: Analist Follies

12-4-2002

I think that there is a stereotype model that homosexual sex has to have something to do with dominance/submission.

Therefore, frot is unique in that it can dispense with d./s.

And it is also an activity that is found among heterosexual males.

So my question is:

Why is frot found among only some males and not others? Could it be a form of ultra-masculinity? If it is nature rather than nurture induced, then is frot determined by one's genes?

Bill Weintraub

Re: Analist Follies

12-4-2002

this reply is for the individual who submitted the post above, among a number of others which i did not approve

first of all, if you want to post, you must have a valid email address so that i can contact you

if you're using a shared computer, you can get a web-based email account on yahoo, which other users will not be able to access, and you can email me using that account

posting under an invalid email account is cowardly -- and it's beyond me why you think i should reward your cowardice by approving your posts

secondly, your posts have not been approved because it's the thrust of all of them, including this one, to treat frot as an oddity

that's an analist position, and if you want to espouse it, go to an analist site

because it's not going to appear here, except under conditions of my choosing, which i promise you will not be to your liking

thirdly, your posts indicate very clearly that you haven't read the articles and life stories which make up the core of the site

that's lazy -- before you can critique frot, if that's what you want to do, you have to understand it -- and you're simply not making a good faith effort to do that

now, who said "frot is found among only some males and not others"?

no one on this site

what we've said is that frot is considered junior league by many gay men, who've been *taught* that sex isn't real if it doesn't culminate in anal penetration

but frot can be "found" in virtually all men -- it's a natural, genital-to-genital act which all men are hardwired to enjoy

so what's the problem?

among gay men, frot is denigrated by the dominant culture of anal sex

a culture, to repeat, which says that if sex isn't anal-penetrative, it's not really gay

and among straight men, any same-sex contact is denigrated -- by the dominant heterosexual culture

so the reason frot is not more common among men in both groups is cultural, not genetic

left to their own inborn and on-board devices, men will rub cocks

it's a natural male activity -- you don't need to explain it

and you don't have to waste time on questions of ultra-infra or uber- unter

frot is just men being men, guys being guys

the same is not true of anal -- anal penetration is not a spontaneous or natural activity -- rather it's learned

teens and young men have to be initiated into and coached through anal -- and the behavior has to then be reinforced by repeated and incessant cultural messages about the desirability of anal

that's a very great and significant difference between the two acts

finally, frot, like anything sexual, is optional

if you're a man who's conflicted about same-sex intimacy, you don't have to act on your impulses

trust me on this -- whether you do so or not is, ultimately, of no interest to anyone but yourself

but if you do act on them, it makes a world of difference whether you choose frot or anal

one's dangerous, the other's safe

one degrades, the other ennobles

those are your choices

are we proselytizing?

you bet we are

and that's the real story here

for 25 years men into frot have been assaulted by a seemingly endless stream of pro-anal propaganda

which, in the name of being "gay," has pressured and coerced us to be penetrated -- when we don't like it and have no interest in it and know it's dangerous to boot

so we're fighting back -- we're saying anal stinks -- literally and figuratively

and we'll have no part of it

and we're reaching out to nongay men, more and more of whom are acknowledging their bisexuality, and saying

there's a way to be intimate with another man that's masculine, moral, healthy, and safe

that's what frot is -- and you should be ashamed of your puny attempts to marginalize it

because if you cared about yourself, your community, and other men, you would be celebrating frot and spreading the good news about it everywhere

Vidaman

Re: Analist Follies

12-24-2002

Re: Analist Follies YOU GO BILL!!!!!