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Julian

Thank you for liberating me

9-8-11

I would just like to thank you for the work that you are doing with this movement.

Once when I was about 8 years old my older male cousin violated me. Because of this, any attraction to another guy made me feel that I was a creep due to his abuse manifesting itself in my psyche. I used to have a feeling of guilt - that i was a pervert.

The "analist" overall gay image portrayed so strongly in the media made me feel that either I am totally gay and should therefore buy into anal sex or that i should ignore my feelings entirely.

Being that it is perceived as a sin to be gay I slowly allowed my self esteem to plummet. The idea of anal makes sense if you are mentally low - the idea of dominance becomes something you buy into.

My only gay experience as a teenager was with a guy who was obsessed with the idea of anal and i wanted to try it - because I was fooled - but it is not like the porn - its dirty, painful and one-sided. Fortunately he didn't think of lube so couldn't get his prick in there so the humiliation on my behalf was short-lived. The relationship was a constant "power struggle" and left me empty and sad.

So i felt that I was going to be trapped in this world of painful and love-less relationships and I would have a social stigma attached to me.

The Man2Man Alliance has fully liberated me from the entire concept of anal sex - with the terrible role-playing of men being pseudo women.

Not only this, it respects principles that I hold close to my heart - respect and love, as well as hygiene. It makes my feelings towards other men something that is normal as opposed to a creepy obsession that will take over my life.

As an 18 year old having discovered this whole philosophy that fully puts me at peace with my sexuality, I have the wonderful prospect to look forward to of close, mutual, euphoric relationships that will bring me joy; not shame. Also, because the strange segregated gay world is not something i think is necessary anymore, the idea that I might meet a woman whom i would find joy and a safe relationship with has been restored.

Thank you for liberating me.


Reply from:

Bill Weintraub

Re: Thank you for liberating me

9-9-2011

Hey Julian,

Thank you for writing to me and for your kind words about my work and our sites.

I'm glad they've resonated and been meaningful for you.

Let's take a look:

I would just like to thank you for the work that you are doing with this movement.

Julian, I appreciate your thanks, and you're very welcome.

I'm glad that I and The Man2Man Alliance can be here for you.

Once when I was about 8 years old my older male cousin violated me. Because of this, any attraction to another guy made me feel that I was a creep due to his abuse manifesting itself in my psyche. I used to have a feeling of guilt - that i was a pervert.

Julian, I understand.

The "analist" overall gay image portrayed so strongly in the media made me feel that either I am totally gay and should therefore buy into anal sex or that i should ignore my feelings entirely.

Okay.

First of all, Julian, once again, I and your fellow Alliance members understand.

However, let's take a closer look at this sentence:

The "analist" overall gay image

The word analist doesn't have to be in quotation marks.

Analism is a well-defined cultural phenomenon, and easily recognizable as such.

But in the Alliance, we do put the word "gay" -- in quotation marks.

And that's to make clear that "gay" has no biological reality.

To understand more about that, Julian, please read our Man2Man Alliance policy paper, Sex Between Men: An Activity, Not a Condition.

Sex Between Men: An Activity, Not a Condition is essential reading for site visitors and Alliance members alike.

So I hope you'll take a look.

portrayed so strongly in the media made me feel that either I am totally gay

Right.

Julian, you're absolutely correct that the "analist overall gay image" is strongly portrayed in the media.

But once again, we'd say "gay."

and should therefore buy into anal sex

Again, that's correct:

The analist cultural message, uncritically and unrelentingly transmitted by the media, is that

1. All males are either "gay" or "straight"; and

2. If you're "gay," you should do anal.

Indeed, you MUST do anal.

That said, however, Julian, within the Alliance, we never refer to anal as "sex."

Because it isn't.

Sex is about genitals;

not anuses.

So why dignify anal with the word "sex?"

It isn't.

It's anal penetration.

Once again, why dignify anal with the term "sex," which gives it a legitimacy it doesn't deserve -- and which undercuts Men like yourself?

or that i should ignore my feelings entirely.

Right.

And that's what many guys do -- or at least try to do.

But, Julian, because your -- and their -- feelings are normal and natural, and an integral part of being a Man -- they cannot be successfully ignored.

And trying to ignore them takes a terrible toll -- psychologically, and spiritually.

And often physically as well.

Being that it is perceived as a sin to be gay

Okay.

Of course it's not a sin to have male-male feelings.

Again, such feelings -- such desires for affection, intimacy, sex, and Love -- by one Man for another -- are normal and natural, and an integral part of being a Man.

Not being part of minority group called "gay" --

but being a Man.

As one of our Warriors says: "Male sexual desire for other Men cannot be tied to a minority group. It is rather a Universal Male Phenomenon, especially strong among Masculine Men."

I slowly allowed my self esteem to plummet. The idea of anal makes sense if you are mentally low - the idea of dominance becomes something you buy into.

Yes -- and that's very well-said!

My only gay experience

Okay.

So this may seem like a quibble, but it was your only "gay" experience.

Julian, here's the thing:

Words matter.

And it matters how we use them.

So -- it's best to put "gay" in quotation marks -- and thus deprive it of its alleged, but actually non-existent, reality.

as a teenager was with a guy who was obsessed with the idea of anal and i wanted to try it

Yes.

And that's understandable.

The analists -- and the larger cultural left -- push anal 24/7/365.

They push it -- and particularly to young people -- the way dealers push crack cocaine.

So it's not surprising that your friend was obsessed with the idea of anal and that you wanted to try it.

- because I was fooled - but it is not like the porn - its dirty, painful and one-sided.

Right.

It's not like the porn.

Porn is basically Hollywood.

It's fantasy.

And it's edited.

The "actors" -- many of whom prostitute themselves -- are heavily made-up.

While the dirt, the pain, the one-sided nature of what's going on -- are all edited out.

What you see is NOT the reality of anal -- but what the analists want you to see.

Those are two very different things.

Fortunately he didn't think of lube so couldn't get his prick in there

Good!

That protected you to some degree.

so the humiliation on my behalf was short-lived.

I understand -- but the humiliation was still there -- as it always is.

The relationship was a constant "power struggle" and left me empty and sad.

Yes -- and also well-said.

So i felt that I was going to be trapped in this world of painful and love-less relationships and I would have a social stigma attached to me.

Okay.

Nowadays, Julian, there's far less stigma attached to "being gay."

But your fear of being trapped in a world of painful and loveless relationships -- was and is genuine.

The Man2Man Alliance has fully liberated me from the entire concept of anal sex - with the terrible role-playing of men being pseudo women.

Good -- it's good that you've been liberated.

Not only this, it respects principles that I hold close to my heart - respect and love, as well as hygiene.

Right.

Respect and Love are important.

And it's reasonable and rational for any human being to be concerned about hygiene -- both physical and moral.

So, Julian, here are the Five Core Principles of the Alliance:

  • Frot, not anal

  • Fidelity, not promiscuity

  • Masculinity, not effeminacy

  • Virtue, not greed

  • Valour, not self




















Let's get back to Julian, who says,

It [the Alliance] makes my feelings towards other men something that is normal as opposed to a creepy obsession that will take over my life.

And that's correct:

Your feelings towards other Men are normal and natural;

they're not an obsession, and there's no reason for them to dominate your life.

As an 18 year old having discovered this whole philosophy that fully puts me at peace with my sexuality,

Okay.

This may some seem like another quibble, but it's not.

The term "sexuality" derives from sexual orientation, which in turn derives from homo-sexuality.

All three terms assume the existence of a condition, known today as "gay" or "homosexual."

But there is no condition.

So rather than use the term "sexuality," why not use one which is far more accurate:

Sexual Desire.

What The Man2Man Alliance seeks to do is help Men be fully at peace with their sexual desires.

Desires.

That's all they are.

They're feelings.

Sometimes a Man feels sexual desire for another Man; sometimes he feels sexual desire for a Woman.

And that's all we need say.

We needn't make that sexual desire -- into a condition -- into a "sexuality."

It's just sexual desire.

I have the wonderful prospect to look forward to of close, mutual, euphoric relationships that will bring me joy; not shame.

Yes, Julian, that's right.

But, Julian, I would encourage you to think in terms of a -- that is, one -- relationship :

That you can now look forward to a close, mutual, and euphoric relationship with another Man -- which will bring you both joy;

and which will celebrate and exalt your Mutual Manhood.

Also, because the strange segregated gay world is not something i think is neccesary anymore, the idea that I might meet a woman with whom i would find joy and a safe relationship with has been restored.

Right.

"gay" is a box, a cage.

You don't have to stay there.

If you meet a Woman to whom you're attracted -- you can pursue that attraction.

You needn't be limited by the false labels of sexual orientation -- for even one day more.

Thank you for liberating me.

Julian, again, you're very welcome, and I'm glad we can be here for you.

Bill Weintraub


Reply from:

Julian

Re: Thank you for liberating me

9-9-2011

Thank you for investing your time to read my message. I agree with what you are saying.

A fellow quibble; relationships meaning more than one relationship through my life, not meaning many at once or in quick succession.

I will endeavour to share these ideas as much as I can, as I'm sure that they will bring others peace as well.

It's amazing how immense this battle is. It is ingrained in our society to keep our private and social spheres totaly separate. Soldier on.

I will read more.


Reply from:

Bill Weintraub

Re: Thank you for liberating me

9-10-2011

Hey Julian

It's great hearing back from you!

Thank you for investing your time to read my message.

Julian, you're very welcome.

I was glad to hear from you.

I agree with what you are saying.

Good!

A fellow quibble; relationships meaning more than one relationship through my life, not meaning many at once or in quick succession.

Yes.

But ideally, you would have one male-male and one male-female relationship in your life.

And that's all.

That's what the Greeks did.

And that's what many peoples did or do.

Our notion of promiscuity -- whether it's serial -- one partner after another -- or concurrent -- many partners at the same time --

is something VERY new in human affairs and in history.

People historically were not promiscuous.

My foriegn friend points out that it's only the unprecedented technology and wealth of the West which has permitted heterosexualization -- which is an essentially UNnatural arrangement -- to go forward.

And the same could be said of promiscuity --

it's an artifact of an immense -- and unequally shared -- wealth.

Interestingly, in Africa, we now know, AIDS was and is a disease of relative affluence.

Poor people cannot afford to be promiscuous.

In Africa, AIDS took its greatest toll from among the rising middle-class and of course upper classes.

In America, AIDS is by and large a disease of affluent gay-identified males.

Of course, some poor people get infected too.

But the disease centers among the affluent.

And that's because the affluent can afford to be promiscuous.

So -- there's a relationship between the dominant economic culture of greed-and-growth;

and the unprecedented levels of promiscuity we now see spreading not just through the West, but throughout the world.

What you'll have to decide, Julian, is whether happiness lies, as the ancients believed, in self-control, in mastery of the passions, in just two devoted and virtuous relationships, one with one Man and the other with one Woman --

or in the hedonism promoted by the forces of growth.

I'll be discussing that further in forthcoming posts.

I will endeavour to share these ideas as much as I can, as I'm sure that they will bring others peace as well.

Perhaps.

You'll also find that there's much resistance to what we're saying.

Analism is a DOMINANT culture -- and it will not give up that dominance -- easily.

Its amazing how immense this battle is.

That's correct.

Immense.

It is ingrained in our society to keep our private and social spheres totally separate. Soldier on.

Julian, I will

I will read more.

Good!

That's the best thing you can do.

Bill


Now -- guys -- in terms of a young person like Julian -- who at the moment is full of enthusiasm --

will he succeed in staying with the Alliance and the ideals of the Alliance?

It's not likely.

We have, thanks to your inaction, no Regional Chapters, no boots on the ground -- which means Julian will have no real-life peer support.

Which he desperately needs.

Moreover, our work is opposed to hedonism.

We teach that a Man should be the master of his passions -- not the slave of them.

In that, we are, as I said to Julian, at complete odds not just with the dominant sexual cultures, "gay" and "straight," but with the dominant and worldwide economic religion of greed and growth, which consistently puts materialism and material pleasures ahead of anything which might be called Virtue.

Julian may well have within him the makings of a Virtuous Man -- that may well be what draws him to our work.

But for that Virtuous Man to emerge -- with just a website and some suggested reading to encourage him -- is not likely.

With the exception of a literal handful, you are, all of you, in complete and utter denial about what's needed not to win this Fight -- but just to start it.

I thank Julian for his letters.

I wish him well.

I wish I could see a brighter future for him.

But I don't.

For years, young guys like Julian have appeared on the site.

For years, I've said to the rest of you that their fate is in your hands.

And for years, those hands have consistently come up empty.

What, if anything, besides hopelessness and despair, do you think could possibly come of that?

Bill Weintraub

September 10, 2011

© All material Copyright 2011 by Bill Weintraub. All rights reserved.


Reply from:

Warrior Man Brian Hulme

Re: Thank you for liberating me

9-12-2011

I just want to say to Julian I am SO glad that you found the Alliance, and that you were liberated. That is what an Alliance is for -- to liberate. Just take a look at history:

France 1945, liberated from Nazi oppression.

Julian 2011, liberated from analist oppression.

You know, there is a poem on my wall called "Don't Quit". It is a bit long so I will go to the last two lines,

So stick to the fight when you're hardest hit,
It's when things seem worst that you mustn't quit.

So stay with it Julian, keep with the truth, and you will get stronger. Trust me I know.

Remember you are no longer "Julian," now you are WARRIOR JULIAN! Who is fighting to be a MAN.

Thank you for liberating me, so I can see Warrior Julian liberated.

Hooray!

With Warrior Love,

Brian


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It was my own innate understanding of the essentially Combative and Aggressive nature of Men, and my own instinctual relating of that to the testicles, which produced those fantasies and gave them so much power in my life.





































In this Dialogue, written in the first century AD by Lucian but presenting an imagined conversation between the *sixth century BC* Athenian lawgiver Solon and a Scythian visitor to Athens named Anacharsis, we get some idea of what that training was like -- starting with Athenian kids, and then progressing to Spartan youth:

Anacharsis: And another thing, my dear Solon, why are those young men acting in this way? Look, some of them are grappling and tripping each other, others are choking their friends and twisting their limbs, rolling about in the mud and wallowing like pigs. But before they began to do this, I noticed they first took off their clothes, then put oil on themselves, and in a peaceful fashion took turns in rubbing each other. But now, experiencing some emotion I do not understand, they have lowered their heads and are crashing into each other, and butting their heads together like rams! And look! There is one who has just seized the other by the legs and thrown him down; then he flopped on him and did not allow him to get up, but shoved him down into the mud. And now he is finally twisting his legs around the other person's waist and choking him with his arm under his throat. The other is slapping him on the shoulder, trying to ask him, I suppose, not to choke him to death. They do not avoid getting covered with dirt even to save the oil, but on the contrary wipe it off, and smearing themselves with mud and rivers of perspiration they make themselves ridiculous, in my opinion, by sliding in and out of each other's hands like eels.

Others are acting in the same way in the open part of the courtyard. However, these are not in the mud, but they have this deep sand in the pit which they sprinkle on themselves and each other, just like roosters, so that they cannot break out of their grasp, I imagine, since the sand decreases the slipperiness and offers a surer grip on a dry skin.

Others also covered with dust are standing up straight and striking and kicking each other. See that one there! Poor fellow, he seems to be ready to spit out a mouthful of teeth considering how full of blood and sand his mouth is; he has got a blow to the jaw, as you can see for yourself. But the official there does not separate them and stop the fight -- at least I assume he is an official from his scarlet cloak. On the contrary he encourages them and cheers the one who struck that blow.

All around different people are all exercising: some raise their knees as if running, although they remain in the same place, and as they jump up they kick the air.

What I want to know is, what reason do they have for doing this? It seems to me these actions are almost insane, and there is no one who can easily persuade me that people who act like this have not lost all their senses.

[Solon explains that customs differ from one land to another. He then explains to Anacharsis what is happening.]

Solon: This place, dear Anacharsis, is what we call a gymnasion and it and is sacred to Lykeian Apollo. You can see his statue, leaning against a stele, holding his bow in his left hand. His right arm is bent above his head as if the artist were showing the God resting, as if he had completed some laborious task. As for those exercises in the nude, the one done in the mud is called wrestling. Those in the dust are also wrestling. Those who strike each other standing upright we call pankratiasts. We have other athletic events: we have contests in boxing, diskos, and the long jump, and the winner is considered superior to his fellows and takes the prize.

Anacharsis: These prizes of yours now; what are they?

Solon: At Olympia there is a crown of wild olive; at Isthmia, one of pine; at Nemea, one woven of celery; at the Pythian Games, laurel berries sacred to the god, and here at home at the Panathenaic Games, oil from olive trees which grow in the sacred precincts. What are you laughing at, Anacharsis? Do these prizes seem valueless to you?

[Solon explains the symbolic value of the prizes, justifies the pursuit of athletics, the education of the citizens. Then Anacharsis asks Solon to explain the government of Athens.]

Solon: It is not easy, my friend, to explain everything at once in concise form, but if you will take one thing at a time you will learn everything about our belief in the gods, as well as our attitude toward parents, marriage, or anything else.

I will now explain our theory about young men and how we treat them from the time when they begin to know the difference between right and wrong and are entering manhood and sustaining hardships, so that you may learn why we require them to undergo these exercises and force them to subject their bodies to toil, not just because of the athletic games and the prizes they may win there, for few of them have the ability to do that, but so that they may try to gain a greater good for the entire city and for themselves. For there is another contest set up for all good citizens and the crown is not made of pine nor of wild olive nor of celery, but is one which includes all of man's happiness, that is to say, freedom for each person individually and for the state in general: wealth, glory, pleasure in our traditional feast days, having the entire family safe from harm, and in a word, to have the best of all the blessings one could have from the gods.

All this happiness is woven into the crown to which I referred and is acquired in the contest to which these exhausting exercises lead.

[Solon goes into more detail about the training of young men and about the responsibility of the citizens.]

Solon: As for physical training, which you particularly wanted to hear about, we proceed as follows. When the boys reach an age when they are no longer soft and uncoordinated, we strip them naked. We do this because first, we think they should get used to the weather, learning to live with different seasons, so they are not bothered by the heat nor do they yield to the cold. Then we massage them with olive oil and condition the skin. For since we see that leather which is softened by olive oil does not easily crack and is much stronger, even though it is not alive, why should we not think that live bodies would benefit from oil? Next we have thought up different kinds of athletics and have appointed coaches for each type. We teach one how to box, another how to compete in the pankration, so that they can become used to hard work, to stand up to blows face to face, and not to yield through fear of injury.

This creates two valuable traits in our young men: it makes them brave in the face of danger and unsparing of their bodies, and it also makes them strong and vigorous. Those who wrestle and push against each other learn how to fall safely and spring up nimbly, to endure pushing, grappling, twisting, and choking, and to be able to lift their opponent off the ground. They are not learning useless skills but they get the one thing which is the first and most important thing in life: through this training their bodies become stronger and capable of enduring pain. There is another thing too which is not unimportant. From this training they acquire skills which they may need some day in war. For it is clear that if a man so trained grapples with an enemy, he will trip and throw him more quickly and if he is thrown he will know how to regain his feet as easily as possible. For we prepare our men, Anacharsis, for the supreme contest, war, and we expect to have much better soldiers out of young men who have had this training, that is, the previous conditioning and training of naked bodies, which makes them not only stronger and healthier, more agile and fit, but also causes them to outweigh their opponents.

You can see, I should think, the results of this, what they are like when armed, or even without weapons how they would strike terror in their enemies. Our troops are not fat, pale, and useless nor are they white and scrawny ... enervated by lying in the shade, simultaneously shivering and streaming with rivers of sweat, gasping beneath their helmets, particularly if the sun, as now, is burning with noontime heat. What use could people be who get thirsty and cannot endure dust; soldiers who panic if they see blood, who die of terror before they come close enough to throw their spears or to close with the enemy? But our troops have skin of high color, darkened by the sun, and faces like real men; they display great vigor, fire, and virility. They glow with good health, and are neither shriveled skeletons nor excessively heavy, but they have been carved to perfect symmetry; they have used up and sweated off useless and excess flesh, and that which is left is strong, supple, and free, and they vigorously keep this healthy condition. For just as the winnowers do with wheat, so our athletes do with their bodies, removing the chaff and the husks and leaving the grain in a clean pile.

Through training like this a man can't avoid being healthy and can stand up indefinitely under stress. Such a man would sweat only after some time, and he would seldom be seen to be ill. Suppose someone were to take two torches and throw one into the grain and the other into the straw and chaff -- you see, I am returning to the figure of the winnower. The straw, I think, would burst into flames much more quickly, but the grain would burn slowly with no large flames blazing up nor would it burn all at once, but it would smoulder slowly and eventually it too would be burned.

Neither disease nor fatigue could easily attack and overcome such a body or easily defeat it. For it has good inner resources which defend it against attacks from outside, so as not to let them in, neither does it admit the sun or the cold to its hurt. To avoid yielding to hardships, great vigor springs up within, something prepared long in advance and held in reserve for time of need. This vigor fills up at once and waters the body in a crisis and makes it strong for a long time. For the previous training in bearing strain and hardship does not weaken their strength but increases it, and when you fan it the fire burns stronger.

We train them to run, getting them to endure long distances as well as speeding them up for swiftness in the sprints. This running is not done on a firm springy surface but in deep sand, where it is not easy to place one's foot forcefully and not to push off from it, since the foot slips against the yielding sand. We train them to jump over ditches, if they have to, or any other obstacles, and in addition we train them to do this even when they carry lead weights as large as they can hold. They also compete in the javelin throw for distance. In the gymnasium you also saw another athletic implement, bronze, circular, like a tiny shield with no bar or straps. You handled it as it lay there and expressed the view that it was heavy and hard to hold on to because it was so smooth. Well, they throw this up in the air both high and out, competing to see who can throw the longest and pass beyond the others. This exercise strengthens the shoulders and builds up the arms and legs.

As for this mud and dust, which originally seemed so amusing to you, my friend, listen while I tell you why it is used. First, their fall will not be on unyielding dirt but they will fall safely on soft ground. Next, their slipperiness has to be greater when they sweat in the mud. You likened them to eels, but the facts are neither useless nor humorous: it adds not a little to strength of the sinews when they are forced to hold firmly to people in this condition when they are trying to slip away. Do not think it is easy to pick up a sweaty man in the mud, covered with oil and trying to get out of your arms. All these skills, as I said earlier, are useful in combat, if it were necessary to pick up a wounded friend and carry him easily to safety or to seize an enemy and bring him back in your arms. And for this reason we train them beyond what is necessary, so that when they have practiced hard tasks they may do smaller ones with much greater facility.

We believe the dust is used for the opposite reason than the oil is, that is, so that a competitor may not slip out of his opponent's grasp. For after they have been trained in the mud to hold fast to something which is escaping from them because of its slipperiness, they then practice escaping out of the arms of their opponent, no matter how impossibly firm they may be held. Furthermore when this dust is used liberally it checks the perspiration and makes their strength last longer and furnishes protection against harm from drafts which otherwise attack the body when the pores are open. Besides, the dust rubs off the accumulation of dirt and makes the skin gleam.

I should dearly like to stand one of those white-skinned fellows who live in the shade beside one of our boys who work out in the Lykeion, and after I had washed off the dust and the mud, ask you which one you would like to resemble. For I know that you would choose at first glance, without hesitation, even without putting either through any tests, the one which is solid and hard rather than soft, weak, and pale, because what little blood he has has been withdrawn into the interior of his body.

[Anacharsis then ridicules the idea that athletic training could be useful in war. Why not save your strength, he asks. Solon explains that strength cannot be saved like a bottle of wine; it must be constantly used.]

Anacharsis: I just don't understand what you said, Solon. It is too intellectual for me and requires a sharp mind and keen insight. But above all, tell me this, why, in the Olympic Games and at Isthmia and Delphi and elsewhere, where so many competitors, you say, assemble to see these young men compete, you never have a contest with weapons but you bring them before the spectators all naked and exhibit them getting kicked and punched, and then, if they have won, give them berries and wild olives? It would be worth knowing why you do this.

Solon: My dear Anacharsis, we do this because we think that their enthusiasm for athletics will increase if they see that those who excel at them are honored and are presented to crowds of Greeks by heralds. Because they are to appear stripped before so many people, they try to get into good condition, so that when they are naked they will not be ashamed, and each one works to make himself capable of winning. As for the prizes, as I said earlier, they are not insignificant: to be praised by the spectators, to be a recognized celebrity, and to be pointed out as the best of one's group. As a result of these prizes, many of the spectators who are of the right age for competition go away completely in love with courage and struggle. If someone should remove love of glory from our lives, what good would we ever achieve, Anacharsis, or who would strive to accomplish some shining deed? But now it is possible for you to imagine from these games what sort of men these would be under arms, fighting for fatherland and children and wives and temples, when they show so much desire for victory in competing for laurel berries and wild olives.

Furthermore, how would you feel if you should observe fights between quails and between roosters here among us, and see the great interest which is shown in them? Wouldn't you laugh, particularly if you should learn that we do this in accordance with our laws and all men of military age are instructed to be present and to see these birds fight until they are exhausted? But it is no laughing matter, for eagerness for danger creeps insensibly into their souls so that they try not to seem less courageous and bold than the roosters nor to give in too soon because of injury or fatigue or any other distress.

As for trying them in armed combat and seeing them receive wounds -- never! It is brutal and dreadfully wrong, and in addition it is economically unfeasible to destroy the bravest, whom we could better use against our enemies.

Since you tell me, Anacharsis, that you expect to travel to the rest of Greece, if you get to Sparta, remember not to laugh at them nor think that they have no purpose when they compete in a theater, rushing together and striking each other, fighting over a ball, or when they go into a place surrounded by water [known as Plantanistas, or Plane-Tree Grove], choose up sides, and fight as if in actual war, although as naked as we Athenians are, until one team drives the other out of the enclosure into the water, the Sons of Herakles beating the Sons of Lykurgos or vice versa; after this contest there is peace and no one would strike another. In particular, do not laugh if you see them being whipped at the altar, streaming with blood, with mothers and fathers standing by, not at all bothered by what is happening but on the contrary threatening them if they do not hold up under the blows, urging them to bear up under the pain as long as possible, and to be strong under this hideous treatment. To tell the truth, many have died in these contests, not thinking it manly to yield before the eyes of their friends and relatives while they are still alive, no, not even to flinch. You will see honors paid to statues of people like this erected at public expense by the state of Sparta.

~ translated by Sweet.



























The great Greek philosophers Sokrates and Plato spent a lot of time debating and defeating the hedonists of their day.

Plato wrote three very powerful books detailing that debate, beginning with the Protagoras, continuing in the Gorgias, and culminating in the Republic, one of the most important works of Western literature.

In the Gorgias in particular, Sokrates identifies hedonism with those who in his day, engaged in anal.

And since anal was proscribed -- forbidden -- by the Greeks, he uses that fact to defeat the hedonists.

Here's the debate -- the hot-headed hedonist is a guy named Callicles, and he's debating Sokrates:

Socrates. Come now, let me tell you another parable:

Consider if each of the two lives, the temperate and the licentious, might be described by imagining that each of the two men had a number of jars; the one man has his jars sound and full, one of wine, another of honey, and a third of milk, besides others filled with other things, and the sources which fill them are scanty and difficult, and he can only obtain them with a great deal of hard toil. Well, one man, when he has taken his fill, neither draws any more nor troubles himself a jot, but remains at ease on that score. The other, in like manner, can procure sources, though not without difficulty; but his vessels are leaky and unsound, and night and day he is compelled to fill them constantly, and if he pauses for a moment, he is in an agony of extreme distress. If such is the nature of each of the two lives, do you say that the licentious man has a happier one than the orderly? Do I not convince you that the opposite is the truth?

Callicles. You do not convince me, Socrates, for the one who has filled himself has no longer any pleasure left; and this, as I was just now saying, is the life of a stone: he has neither joy nor sorrow after he is once filled; but a pleasant life consists rather in the largest possible amount of inflow.

Soc. Well then, if the the inflow be large, must not that which runs away be of large amount also, and the holes for such outflow be of great size?

Cal. Certainly.

Soc. The life which you are now depicting is not that of a dead man, or of a stone, but of a plover [a bird thought to drink and then to eject the liquid]; you mean that he is to be hungering and eating?

Cal. Yes.

Soc. And he is to be thirsting and drinking?

Cal. Yes, that is what I mean; he is to have all his desires about him, and to be able to live happily in the gratification of them.

Soc. Capital, excellent; go on as you have begun, and have no shame; I, too, must disencumber myself of shame: and first, will you tell me whether you include itching and scratching, provided you have enough of them and pass your life in scratching, in your notion of happiness?

Cal. What a strange being you are, Socrates! a regular stump-orator.

Soc. That was the reason, Callicles, why I scared Polus and Gorgias, until they were too modest to say what they thought; but you will not be too modest and will not be scared, for you are such a manly fellow. And now, answer my question.

Cal. I answer, that even the scratcher would live pleasantly.

Soc. And if pleasantly, then also happily?

Cal. To be sure.

Soc. But what if the itching is not confined to the head? Shall I pursue the question? And here, Callicles, I would have you consider how you would reply if consequences are pressed upon you, especially if in the last resort you are asked, whether the life of a catamite is not terrible, shameful, and wretched? Or would you venture to say, that they too are happy, if they only get enough of what they want?

Cal. Are you not ashamed, Socrates, of introducing such topics into the argument?

Soc. Well, my fine friend, but am I the introducer of these topics, or he who says without any qualification that all who feel pleasure in whatever manner are happy, and who admits of no distinction between good and bad pleasures? And I would still ask, whether you say that pleasure and good are the same, or whether there is some pleasure which is not a good?

~translated by Jowett and Lamb

So: Socrates asks, "Is there some pleasure which is not a good?"

And the word "catamite" in the original Greek is kinaidos, that is, one who is anally passive, and/or who participates in anal penetration.

That is, an analist.

"Is there some pleasure which is not a good?"

Anal.

The life of an analist, says Sokrates, is "terrible, shameful, and wretched."

And Callicles doesn't dare disagree with him.

Because the cultural prohibition against anal is too severe.

I have no question that privately, Callicles thinks anal is okay.

That to his mind, "If it feels 'good,' do it!" and "It's all sex and it's all good!" -- are imperatives.

But he doesn't dare say so -- regarding anal.

Because again, the cultural prohibition against anal is too severe.

As it should be.











In the protection of your Manhood.

In the safeguarding of your Life. Recently I've been reading John Milton, the great English poet and defender of the Puritan and Parliamentary Revolution.

I've been reading his prose pieces -- which were written to advance that Revolutionary cause.

If you think I'm dogmatic and militant -- you should read Milton.

But his militancy helped bring about the freedoms we have today.

As Warrior Brian said to me in an email regarding the need to organize:

If an army went into battle without proper training and organisation they would lose. Historic example, in the English Civil War (1642 to 1646) the army of King Charles 1st was better organised and won most of the first battles; however Oliver Cromwell trained and organised the men fighting on Parliament's side into the New Model Army, and they won! If they had not been so organised the King would have carried on as the dictator he had been. Maybe eventually we would have got the freedoms that we enjoy now but it would have come more slowly and the monarch would have given them very grudgingly; so organisation is as you say vital to winning.

And Militancy is vital -- to organization.