Joel

Re: Surrounded on all sides

2-12-2005

first and foremost...know this...you are not alone...you do not stand alone against the BFD...none of us are alone...and that is very important for the brothers to understand...whether you are in a city where there are many of us...and we can gather in person...or if you are a lone brother in some distant land...you are not alone...the greatest weapon that the analists have is the hopelessness of feeling alone and having no choice...you have a choice...and you chose well...

the more i read on this site...and the more i am able to contemplate the thoughts raised here...the clearer my view of things becomes...what is going on here...on this site is not just about guys into frot...it is about the revitalization of Masculinity and honoring it as a valued quality...it is the essential quality of manhood...there can be no manhood without masculinity...and anything that interferes with or corrupts that masculinity is a threat to our manhood...the BFD is such a threat...the mindless drones of the media are such a threat...the fanatical, corrupt, 'religious' authorities are such a threat...

what do all of these threats have in common?

they are all fearful of the awakening of masculinity...they are fearful that the warrior spirit will blaze like wildfire across this nation...across the world...and tear down their oppressive regimes...they are fearful of losing their wealth...built on the deaths of millions of people worldwide...they fear the loss of their security...at the expense of peace in the world...their fear is what defines them...

clearly there is something stirring...something that is coming that will cause the Big Three to quiver...to look behind them with fearful glances...the warrior spirit is there...and its flame is growing...and it is touching more and more men...

in the last couple of days i have had two serious inquiries about the real-time M2M chapter that i am trying to form...brothers will soon realize that they are not alone and that they can come together and gain confidence from each other...we wont be surrounded...we wont be taken in by the Big Three...we will remain Men...Masculine...Confident...

JOEL

Bill Weintraub

Re: Surrounded on all sides

2-13-2005

Thank you David and Joel.

The three pillars of our work here are:

FROT;

FIDELITY;

MASCULINITY

and sometimes one of those elements resonates very strongly for one of our guys.

That I think is the case with Joel, whose posts and life are concerned with the warrior ethos and masculinity.

I find Joel's thoughts very useful because he points out the way in which our struggle isn't simply between analists and Frot men, but is part of a larger global cultural battle between effeminists and masculinists.

This is not just a war of ideas; rather it has real world consequences, some of which, like the spread of HIV / AIDS, a direct consequence of the analist ideology which gained ascendancy in the gay male community in the mid-1970s, can be absolutely devastating.

There have been 20 million deaths from AIDS, 40 millions more of the world's people are infected, and if this new, more virulent and drug-resistant strain takes off, the death toll will climb steeply.

And we can see other real world consequences in the life choices which young gay men like David face.

Look at some of the things he says:

I wanted so badly to acknowledge my homosexual feelings, to find a strong male lover and a commited relationship. But it seems like I only found effeminate, promiscuous men who could not comprehend life without anal sex.

Being an immigrant from a highly religious society, I had a great deal to learn about gay sex. So I accessed the ever available resource of the internet. I was surprised to learn that anal sex was a norm, and frottage (I didn't know this name however) was non-existant...

It was unfortunate to learn that apparently nobody in the gay subculture considered frottage to be "sex," and that I was now even more of a minority that I already was. On one side I was told that my feelings are unnatural and diseased, on the other side I am sexually repressed and ignorant. There is no where to go to.

And that often makes it hard to stand my ground. It is like I am pinned between two armies. One of them wants to feed me drugs and therapy the other wants to ass-rape me. I am faced with the task of fighting an exhausting battle for my own niche in society without sucumbing to my desire to feel accepted.

That is a very difficult and exhausting battle and made more so because for now David's only support is on the internet.

Yet it plays out in the real world and in real time, as these other words from David, which I quoted in my reply to Joel's "warriors at a time when boys now are like girls" post, demonstrate:

Some days I really can't stand my gay 'friends'. The other day, one of them was declaring what position he thought all of us prefered. After staring at me a little while, he pronounced me a bottom. That made me feel ill, and very depressed. I suppose I should be grateful it took him awhile to reach his conclusion though. I just wish that they didn't act like clique-ish schoolgirls, I got the most stunned and awed stares when I told them I am not really into Brittany Spears' music... I don't know how it was with you, but it seems I get scolded quite a bit for not having a pop idol to worship.

David's gay "friends" expect that because David admits to being gay, he'll be anally-passive and idolize -- that is, take as a role model -- a promiscuous woman.

A slut.

A whore.

Which is how too many gay men refer to themselves.

What's going on here is that the effeminists -- those who think masculinity is the root of all evil -- have declared that gay men are intergendered and in their camp, and therefore that gay men must act like girls -- clique-ish schoolgirls, says David.

But gay men aren't girls.

They're men.

And the only way they can act like girls is to deny their masculinity.

An act of violence against their true nature which for many will turn out to be a fatal stratagem.

Here's the New York Times' description of the man carrying the new and very dangerous strain of HIV:

The virus was found in a New York City man in his mid-40's who engaged in unprotected anal sex with other men on multiple occasions while he was using crystal methamphetamine...

The man, whose name was not released to protect his privacy, is believed to have had unprotected sex with hundreds of partners...

So this man was a slut -- which to the effeminists is preferable to his being, let's say, a soldier.

And he's made himself very sick.

While those hundreds of partners of his are out there, right now, in New York and San Francisco and Bangkok and Berlin, infecting others, transporting the virus, along with their barebacking buttfucking effeminist ideology, to the four corners of the globe.

We need to be clear then that this isn't simply about one way of having sex rather than another.

As Joel understands, this is about how we perceive the world and our place in it.

Are we men, or pseudo-women?

And if we are men, are we to act as men, or in a way that's foreign to our manhood and our masculine nature?

David:

On one side I was told that my feelings are unnatural and diseased, on the other side I am sexually repressed and ignorant. There is no where to go to.

And that often makes it hard to stand my ground. It is like I am pinned between two armies. One of them wants to feed me drugs and therapy the other wants to ass-rape me. I am faced with the task of fighting an exhausting battle for my own niche in society without sucumbing to my desire to feel accepted.

That's a tough fight.

And it's not one of his choosing.

David understands that he's a man, that he's a man who loves men, and that he wants and needs to express that love as a man, phallically and faithfully.

That he feels "there is no where to go to" is a terrible indictment of our culture, our country, and our time.

He's alone, in a small Texas town, cut off from his family and his former co-religionists, and at odds with his gay peers.

He's depending upon you, the men who visit this site to:

• Post -- so that he can hear other voices like his own and know that he's truly not alone;

• Donate -- so that this site is here for him; and,

• Join -- the regional chapters, so that eventually he can find solace and support in the real world.

Which as it happens are three things which will benefit you as much as him.

If each of you plays his part, the burden will be small and the reward great.

But even were the burden to be great and the reward small you would still have to, if you wish to own the word "man," play your part:

One service more we dare to ask -
Pray for us, heroes, pray,
That when Fate lays on us our task
We do not shame the day.

Thank you David and Joel, for your posts, for your donations, and for your work to establish regional chapters of The Man2Man Alliance.

Beagle

Re: Surrounded on all sides

2-13-2005

First, I'd like to say,"Welcome to the Fold Dave"! I'm glad you made it to us.

Like Joel, the more I read the stories and postings on this site, the more I see the same common thread running through them. We have all felt alone in our feelings. Thankfully we have a site like this to come to. I had similar thoughts to Dave's, WTF?!?!?! Then I had to good fortune to meet someone that thought just like me. Unfortunatly, the BFD made it to him first. He was forcibly anally raped before I met him and infected with HIV. He literally died in my arms 11 years ago.

There is not a day that goes by that I do not think about him.

Dave's right about donating. Just send something!!!! Bill has provided the burning ember and has been fanning it to keep it alive all these years by himself!! Now it's our turn. Let's make an all out effort to start making DONATIONS!!!!! It's very important now more than ever.....with more money the site can be updated, we can advertise so that our brothers that do not have computers can hear our words!!!

Dave, there is one more thing you can do. Talk to Bill about starting your own Frot Man, M2M Alliance chapter. Just don't wait for someone else to do it. I agree that it can be a little scarey at first, but, as Joel said, don't be afraid, don't feel alone. Please make a stand. I pestered Bill because I wanted to do something. So now I'm starting a Chapter here in Portland, OR. Like Joel, I have received several contacts from guys in the area. I think the ember is starting to 'take ahold'. What do you think Dave? Do you feel up to a Challenge?

Beagle Jones

Portland,Or

"The tragedy of life is what dies inside a man while he lives"

Albert Schweitzer