Bill Weintraub

Re: hate on frot

11-2-08

Hey Junior

It's great to hear from you!

Let's take a look:

It is good to hear people are coming to the website. They need to be exposed to the knowledge this site brings.

Yes -- and many are coming.

Recently, I posted your first post and a bunch of others at the same time.

So you can see -- there were a bunch of guys who wrote just in September and October.

And for every guy who writes there are literally thousands who don't write -- but who do visit and do read.

They may or may not agree with everything on the site, but it needs to be seen, and people need to revaluate their beliefs.

Junior, that's right.

You know, i did a google search on heroichomosex just to read what everyone else on the net had to say about the site and i did not read good things.

Yes, I know that.

A lot of people are upset with us for questioning the status quo -- which they think has always been the status quo -- but which has not.

It is kinda scary to see how ingrained anal sex is.

Yes -- and Junior, it wasn't ingrained at all when I came out in 1972.

Anal was a denigrated and minority practice.

I think your site poses an excelent question, when did anal sex become gay sex.

Right.

And the answer is -- in the mid 1970s.

Again, when I came out gay sex was a sort of smorgasbord, and you could pick and choose.

No one put you down if you didn't do anal.

Instead, the ethic was "live and let live."

That changed ca 1975.

It was in 1975, Junior, that someone first said to me, "You're not really gay if you don't get fucked."

And I was truly surprised when he said it, because it was such a departure from my previous experience.

Now, Junior, that view is not simply my own.

There's a classic of AIDS literature titled Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men.

It was written by an openly gay journalist named Gabriel Rotello.

Sexual Ecology was published in 1997, and when it was, the gay establishment went berserk because Rotello, like me, dared to point out that anal had not always been at the center of gay male life.

And that it was anal and promiscuity which had created the AIDS epidemic.

So like I say, the gay establishment excoriated Rotello when the book was published.

Nevertheless, over the years, Rotello's view has become accepted by academics.

Here's a paragraph from Rotello's book:

Evidence convincingly argues that before the middle of the [20th] century gay sexual behavior was vastly different from what it later became, that from mid century onward there were fundamental changes not only in gay male self-perceptions and beliefs, but also in sexual habits, kinds and numbers of partners, even ways of making love. These revolutions reached a fever pitch just at the moment when HIV exploded like a series of time bombs across the archipelago of gay America. When gay experience is viewed collectively, it appears that the simultaneous introduction of new behaviors and a dramatic rise in the scale of old ones produced one of the greatest shifts in sexual ecology ever recorded. There is convincing evidence that this shift had a decisive impact on the transmission of virtually every sexually transmitted disease, of which HIV was merely one, albeit, the most deadly.

Junior, Rotello puts the shift at mid-century, but in my experience that's not correct -- the shift was later.

And in his interview with me, the late Jack Nichols, who was a gay rights pioneer, agreed:

Jack Nichols: Bill, I remember a time, the 1950s, when anal sex was talked about only in whispers in the nation's capital where I came out at thirteen and grew to be twenty-nine. The 1950s and early 1960s were big on oral sex. People who invited anal sex were called by a pejorative name, "brownie queens." You came out a little later, didn't you?

Bill Weintraub: Yes, I came out in 1972, in Boston, which I think was a very different place from the big cities like New York or LA or even D.C. Boston had a relatively small but very cohesive, committed, and intellectually lively gay and lesbian community. Free love was then in full flower, and the ideals of Gay Liberation and the counterculture flourished. So far as I could tell, no one sexual act was placed above another. So it was a wonderful and liberating time and place to be gay, and I'm grateful to have been there.

Jack Nichols: I vividly remember many gay men in those days gossiping with this tidbit: "Well, he's a brownie queen, you know." Anal sex, truly, was not chic. That's when I began realizing that no sex acts are written in stone. We change -- even from decade to decade! Isn't that what you're saying too?

Junior, I don't know if you've seen some of the recent news reports about how long HIV has been around.

Scientists are now saying that it's at least 100 years.

If anal had been widely practiced all that time -- AIDS would have hit long before 1981.

Anal became widespread in the mid-1970s -- and the first reports of AIDS cases came in June of 1981.

Six years later -- which is about how long it takes, on average, for HIV infection to manifest.

Also -- regarding how ingrained anal is now -- that, in my view, is in large part because of the internet.

What happens now is that kids who think they might be "gay" go online as early as 10 and 11, and search for "gay" --

and what they get is a zillion analist sites.

So to them, gay = anal.

Not surprising.

I don't think they realize what it is they are agreeing to.

No, they don't.

Analism is a dominant culture;

and it's in the nature of dominant cultures that people don't question their norms.

They just accept them -- blindly.

Okay, so lets take HIV/AIDS outta the picture for a second there are like 14 other painful, lifelong dieseases that take you outta the gene pool, and outta the dating scene forever. Not to mention the pain, blood, and shit that go along with anal.

Yes, Junior, that's right.

Anal is a dirty, dangerous, and degrading act.

There are gay men out there that consider anal to be the pinnacle of their sexual experience and that is their choice, but why do they hate on frot. I mean come on, so rubbing dicks might sound childish

Junior, rubbing dicks isn't childish.

Rubbing dicks is genital-genital sex:

Just like penile-vaginal intercourse.

In fact, penile-penile sex is the ONLY mutually and directly genital form of sex available to guys who have sex with guys.

Mutual fellatio is mutually genital -- but it's not directly genital -- the genitals don't have contact.

ONLY in Frot are the male genitals directly and mutually stimulating each other.

And that's What Sex Is:

Sex is genital rubbing.

When a guy penetrates a woman vaginally, his penis rubs against the genital tissue of her clitoris and vagina.

That's why it's pleasurable for both of them.

There is NO genital tissue in the anus.

And that's why analists "hate on frot" -- because Frot is everything that anal isn't:

Clean, safe, mutually and directly genital male-male sex.

Anal isn't any of those things.

Not clean, not safe, and not mutually genital.

The anal emperor has no clothes.

We say that.

And the analists get upset -- and irrational.

Because they have no rational response.

• They can't claim that anal is clean because it isn't -- there's always fecal material present in and around the anus.

• They can't claim that anal is safe because it isn't.

  Everyone agrees that anal penetration is the highest risk "sex" act any two people -- man and woman or man and man -- can perform.

• And they can't claim it's mutually genital -- because it isn't.

Anal: not clean, not safe, not mutually genital.

FROT: clean, safe, mutually genital.

Big difference.

In addition, Frot exalts the Masculinity of *both* Men because it exalts the Phallus -- of *both* Men.

It's a celebration of Manhood.

While anal traffics in the obliteration of the male.

but shoving dicks into assholes is disgusting.

Yes, it is -- that's right.

Anyway, i think Jesus said it best, if any man have ears to hear let him hear.

Right!

I know you said that Patrick was not doing well, i send him my strength. it might not be enough, but it just might tip the balance in your favor.

Thank you Junior -- that's very sweet of you.

Junior, I'll let you know when your post goes up.

Junior, thank you again and again.

You're a true Warrior.

Junior's a true WARRIOR.

What about the rest of you guys reading this?

NO -- the vast majority of you are not.

Because you don't do anything.

You need to get it together and start donating.

Junior does.

Junior understands that the sites were here for him --

because some other guy donated.

Now -- the sites will be here for some other guy --

because Junior donated.

Duh.

YOU CANNOT GO THROUGH LIFE DOING NOTHING --

AND EXPECT TO GET SOMETHING IN RETURN.

It will not happen.

That's the fallacy, the old, tired, worn-out fallacy, behind the housing bubble and the ensuing crash.

Something for nothing.

It doesn't work that way.

Stop sitting there like some pathetic and infintely needy baby bird expecting Big Daddy Bill to feed you.

Be a MAN.

Be what God and Nature intended you to be.

A WARRIOR.

FIGHT BACK.

SAVE YOUR LIFE.

Bill Weintraub

November 2, 2008

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