rmoseley

male identity

8-4-2006

When I was a boy we had male figures to look up to: Superman, Roy Rodgers. John Wayne, The Lone Ranger, Kirk Douglas and more. We had boys clubs our own improvised forts and had fights with other clubs. I remember being the leader of my club and fighting with the leader of another club. I pinned him down and it was over. We had footraces bicycle races played dodgeball (one time I got smacked right in the face with a volleyball). Part of being a boy was getting skinned knees and elbows and getting dirt on your clothes. We climbed trees knew about what kinds of wild fruits to eat and how to be careful about bears when looking for blackberries. I remember drinking from mountain streams. Part of being a male is being close to nature and so being a natural male. So many males these days have no connection with the natural world even those who are just one generation away from me. How can one be called a natural male and not know of trees, insects, fresh air, and other animals? I find that the gay culture is so limited in its scope. All they talk about is sex, disease and death a never ending mantra. You cannot be a natural male and be separate from nature at the same time. It doesn't work! Go out into the woods, take off your shoes and socks and feel the soil with your feet! This is what it is to have a male identity . Commune with your natural world and you will become a natural male.

Robert Loring

Re: male identity

8-7-2006

In Fighting is Good NakedWrestler posted:

"They're going to fight to real submission in a few minutes and they also know deep in their minds and hearts that they will be good friends after the battle. Real men always work it out and never carry a grudge."

That's true! Real men always DO work it out! The problem tends to be busy-body people getting involved that think they know best when, in fact, they do NOT know best. Our society today is full of such people and actually the best thing they could do is to pay attention to their OWN business and stay out of the business of other people! Instead of spending all their time focusing on someone else's life they need to pay attention to their own life and just maybe their own lives wouldn't be as messed up as they are right now! Real men work things out on their own and we DON'T need some busy-body telling us what to do. Leave us alone and let us work it out please!!

In "Male Identity" rm posted:

"When I was a boy we had male figures to look up to: Superman, Roy Rodgers. John Wayne, The Lone Ranger, Kirk Douglas and more. We had boys clubs our own improvised forts and had fights with other clubs. I remember being the leader of my club and fighting with the leader of another club. I pinned him down and it was over. We had footraces bicycle races played dodgeball (one time I got smacked right in the face with a volleyball)."

This is absolutely correct rm. We, boys, used to have masculine male figures to look up to. Manly ROLE MODELS! Male HEROES! But where are they today? According to the society dictatorship today all violence in any form is "bad" and "wrong" and, of course, any expression of a male being a male is deemed "unacceptable." So that pretty much limits the field of male role models. What? We are suppose to take on PeeWee Herman as a role model? Give me a break!

Males NEED MANLY role models! That's a FACT! And they need MASCULINE role models NOT feminized twink role models. Guys like Super-MAN and John Wayne. Guys like Kirk Douglas who starred in "Spartacus"....WOW! what a MANLY movie!! Role models that portray everything male. Role models that portray SELF DISCIPLINE not uncontrolled rage and violence. Masculine and manly male role models that reflect the Warrior Ethos!

rm further posted: "Part of being a boy was getting skinned knees and elbows and getting dirt on your clothes. We climbed trees knew about what kinds of wild fruits to eat and how to be careful about bears when looking for blackberries. I remember drinking from mountain streams."

It's a wonder some of us survived! But we did and now here we are still ticking even though we took many lickin's! As boys we didn't play it safe because playing it safe was not a part of boyhood. We all understood that life holds NO GUARANTEES of safety or security. Life is a chance and none of us came here to this world with any assurances that we'd live forever. Today, however, everything is centered around safety and security. We are almost forbidden to take ANY risks! Thus, we FAIL to actually experience and LIVE LIFE! Skinned elbows and knees was a NATURAL part of being a boy. Eating wild fruits and drinking out of streams was NORMAL and it was a part of growing UP! No one feared dying from eating wild fruit or drinking out of streams because the chances were REMOTE and they are STILL REMOTE today! But, alas, we are WEAK and FEMINIZED. We FEAR DEATH more than anything! We cling to life thinking we are immortal yet we are not gods! And what we never realize as a society is the more we cling to life in our safety PRISONS of our own creations the LESS we actually LIVE LIFE. For we become like the DEAD sealed up in dark and musty TOMBS! And in those tombs is where we live out our days never living life because all our fears stop us from ever living our lives! What a putrid existence most people live today! They have traded in the GIFT of life for a cheap "secure" imitation. Yet, the FACT remains that there are NO ASSURANCE, no SECURITIES in life no matter what we deceive ourselves into believing to the contrary.

rm wrote further: "Part of being a male is being close to nature and so being a natural male. So many males these days have no connection with the natural world even those who are just one generation away from me. How can one be called a natural male and not know of trees, insects, fresh air, and other animals?"

What rm posted in these sentences reflects the TRUTH of the AGES! Part of being male IS being CLOSE to NATURE! Humans were intended to be a part of nature. Yet, we try our best to separate ourselves from nature and turn to view her as the enemy, something to be conquered and pillaged, when in FACT nature is our MOTHER. We build our UGLY and HIDEIOUS cities and towns of concrete, particle board, steel, and asphalt and create for ourselves a FALSE environment and FALSE existence. Living in our little "secure" and "safe" FAKE environs we try to be happy but TRUE Happiness escapes most of us because we always feel something is missing. And something IS MISSING and what is missing is our NATURAL connection with NATURE! How can one be happy thinking that nature and the natural is the enemy? Answer: YOU CAN'T and you WON'T!! If you do not commune and try to be a part of nature, YOUR natural state, then happiness will ALWAYS escape you.

Modern society is sick today. Very sick! And, part of the reason is due to the fact that we have tried our best to separate ourselves from nature and from the natural. Instead we have erected falsehoods and labeled them "normal" and "natural" even though there is NOTHING normal or natural about our fallacies! We see nature as the enemy and we see the NATURAL LOVE and COMPASSION that NATURALLY exists between men as unnatural even though the FACT is it is EXTREMELY NATURE and NORMAL. How much longer will WE allow this to go on? Humans are quick to blame God and they cry out for some Savior to come take them out of their misery never realizing that it is we OURSELVES who have created this false UNnatural existence and God has left us to pull ourselves out of it ALONE! God is NOT in the Search and Rescue business!!

We want to know God yet we fear actually connecting with the Creator through Nature. In Nature one finds the Creator Spirit EVERYWHERE and in EVERY THING yet we fear knowing that truly! We want but, then again, we don't REALLY want! Nature is NOT the enemy of man! Nature is a part of natural manhood and nature IS our DIVINE MOTHER with whom ALL MEN must reconnect! In that reconnection lies part of our SALVATION. Salvation from our own selves!

rm continues: "I find that the gay culture is so limited in its scope. All they talk about is sex, disease and death a never ending mantra. You cannot be a natural male and be separate from nature at the same time. It doesn't work! Go out into the woods, take off your shoes and socks and feel the soil with your feet! This is what it is to have a male identity . Commune with your natural world and you will become a natural male."

It's just not gay culture it's also mainstream culture. The never-ending mantra of sex, disease, and death is the dominate mantra of modern society.

You're absolutely right rm! You CANNOT be a NATURAL male and be separated from nature at the same time. What this is saying is that you CANNOT and WILL NEVER be HAPPY for as long as people separate themselves from nature. Humans living an existence in which nature is the enemy NEVER works. It's an UNNATURAL existence. We cannot be naturally masculine males for as long as we refuse to reconnect with nature our Mother.

Go out and do as rm suggests. Commune with nature. Go into the wilderness without your shoes and socks. Take your shirt off or get nude and commune with nature and you'll be ASTOUNDED at how your own natural sense of MASCULINITY swells within your SOUL, MIND, AND BODY. Wanna be a masculine man? Then get your butt out into nature and BE a NATURAL MALE!!

I'm reminded of a story I once heard that relates to this subject. A father was worried about his two early adolescent boys because he feared they might be "queer." He just did not feel either of the boys were "manly enough." One weekend he decided to take them camping so he and the boys backed up some camping gear, food, and water, hoped in the family truck and off they went for a weekend in the wilderness.

This father began to notice something changing about his boys during this camping trip. He began to notice that while out in the wilderness, NATURE, the two boys began to act "more masculine." Unashamed they ran around without shirts the whole weekend. They appeared to be more aggressive and forthright in a self disciplined way. They seemed uninhibited by stripping naked and jumping in a lake or river for a swim. They seemed more courageous and less worried about taking risks. What this father noticed was that out there, in the midst of the wilderness during this camping trip, his two boys began "automatically" acting more manly, more male, more masculine. Needless to say camping trips became much more frequent with this father and his two sons.

I will never forget this father telling me about this first camping trip. One of the things he told me was how "surprised" he was while camping with his two boys because they seemed "like two Spartan soldiers out there in the wilds." And, I'll never forget his amazement at how the two boys seemed to "automatically" become more masculine.

Well of course they became "automatically" more masculine and manly because this father put his two sons BACK in touch with nature and the natural. He gave BACK something to his two boys that our upside down society had tried to take away from them and that is their own individual NATURAL MASCULINITY. He took his two city-slicker boys poisoned by the myths and lies of modern society and put them back into nature where they began to simply do and be what comes to all males NATURALLY. Like two Spartan Soldiers these two boys reclaimed their maleness and by the end of the camping trip the two boys were on the road to being what they were meant to be, Warriors!

The camping trips continued and this father began to notice something. He noticed that while out camping the two boys acted differently from when they were at home in the city. He could see conflict within them as they struggled in the city trying to maintain their masks of what society said boys should be, gender neutral, passive, feminized, etc. He noticed in the city the two boys seemed to be almost "enslaved" by something but when out camping the two boys were "definitely free and happy!". Not only did being out in nature promote the boys natural masculinity but it also promoted their happiness and joy. Something in nature spoke to their minds and souls. Something in nature liberated them from the chains that modern society had tried so hard to enslave them in. Nature called them back to their true selves. Nature stripped them of all their societal masks and fakery! Nature turned these two boys into masculine males!

She, Nature, made these boys MEN and WARRIORS!!

She gave BACK to them their own NATURAL MALE IDENTITY that modern society had tried so hard to steal away from them!

GET OUT INTO NATURE DUDES!!!

Sir Robert