This pic reminds me of the first time I wrestled a kid in PE in high school, shirtless in the wrestling room. That initial skin-on-skin contact was awesome. It was like: Wow, his skin is smooth and his body is muscled like mine. 30 years after the fact, I still remember that becoming-one-in-the-fight sensation. I remember the sensation of how good he felt, and how good it was to fight a body that felt so good.

The sad part was that at the time I felt it was just me that felt that way. It took me 30 years to finally realize that ALL FighterWrestlerMen feel, experience, and think the same sensations. And how normal and beautiful it is to be a man into Man2Man skin-on-skin muscle contact and to experience aggression with the same type of guy.

That initial tie-up can give a warrior a super fast and rock-hard-cock ManBoner. All these years later I realize it's perfectly normal, super pleasurable, and a shot of male endorphins which only we males can link to our ManCocks.

I can only imagine that the Classical Free-Men Greeks had full rock-hard boners at the tie-ups of their wrestling matches...They were after-all, normal males; they were fighters; they were warriors, and they were Free, free to be men in daily naked combat at the palaestra, driven on by rock hard boners.

I think this Freedom is something Men are beginning to refind through Fight Sport.

A Freedom which will destroy the phony categories of "Gay" and "Straight".

Because I think that once aggression and competition are brought into the mix, males naturally become relaxed to the idea of Natural Affection toward each other. You see that at the Fights. It's all about the ManHug after the Fight.

One of the Fighters at one of our Fight School events blatted out to me a while back, after his Fight (the Sweat and Blood on him was like candy as I stood right next to his still-in-fight-mode body), that he had a raging Hard-On after Fighting or even watching a Fight.

He yelled at me through the noise, "I could fuck anything right now! Anything! I could fuck anything after a fight!"

I was stunned; I thought only I had experienced that. I was so stunned I didn't know what to say. I could have gone home with that dude that night, but I didn't.

It's these sorts of experiences which give me hope that sometime soon, Men will be Free to be Men again.

Bill Weintraub

Re: BODY CONTACT

12-20-2007

Thank you Naked Wrestler.

Naked Wrestler aka NW is the author on this board, most recently, of The Warrior Male, Full Mount Fight, and Our American forced Hetero-sexualized society.

If you haven't already guys, be sure to ck those out -- along with his classic aggression and the beauty of guys.

In his Reply to AGOGE: The Spear-Points of Young Men Blossom There, NW talked about his life experience with a gay-identified guy named Jim, who, sadly, was killed in an automobile accident not long after NW met him.

NW described how he introduced Jim to some of the elements of Fight Sport and Male Aggression, and how eager Jim was to learn about those things:

Jim and I had spent the night together just a few weeks ago.

Jim was not some phony fake macho guy. He was REALLY interested in learning wrestling for the man2man body contact and feel of aggression of the activity.

I showed him some frot in bed including the guard position used in modern MMA submission fights and submission grappling. And I demonstrated some wrestling rides and holds for "controlling your man" while in the top position. I always try to make introductory learning fun for a new never-experienced-aggression-before-male like him.

I told him that this totally naked wrestling was what our ancestors did up until the advent of Christianity.

I explained to him--and I think he totally understood--that the "gay community" aspect of anal intercourse was totally out of sync as well as physiologically wrong and Psychologically wrong. And that it was in contrast to normal male aggression and intimacy.

He listened to it all with fascination, concentration and intensity. He had the intelligence---to be a wrestler. He wanted so much to cross that line into complete maleness.

Right in bed I showed him some grape-vines, butt rides, and butt drags like we called them in wrestling practices. I reached in for his ball sack from the back and said this is officially called a butt drag, but all wrestlers eventually learn to think of it as a ball grab (even if they can't talk about it). I said, "Don't do it too much to the man or the guy might stand up and sock you in the face for it, or he might insist on going home with you after the match." He laughed.

(You see the Turks, doing olive oil wrestling, grab balls all the time. And males learn to do it in this sport to "hurt" their opponent a little bit, WITHOUT injuring each other's Man-hood. It's ALL about control, technique and the lack of fear to engage another male, to engage another male in anything.

Men learn from this full body contact aggression to respect each other with care, RIGHT DOWN TO THEIR BALLS.)

Jim listened to every word of it. He was fascinated with the whole aspect of mingling intimacy and aggression into one. He, like most males in America today, had been deprived of that necessary and beautiful component of Man-hood.

BTW I'm buying some 10x10 wrestling mats today to add to the ones I have. I need to start a little wrestling club....for guys like him.

So -- Here was a guy named Jim who was gay-identified but Masculine.

And who "was fascinated with the whole aspect of mingling intimacy and aggression into one."

But who didn't know how to do it.

Because: "He, like most males in America today, had been deprived of that necessary and beautiful component of Man-hood."

Nonetheless, says NW, Jim "wanted so much to cross that line into complete maleness."

That's what EVERY MALE WANTS.

As NW well knows.

Because in a follow-up email, NW remarked to me that

Jim actually was a very normal male, exploring normal male stuff like wrestling and man2man body contact.

I think most so-called "normal" guys who never cross the line into body contact sports to experience the Intimacy of Aggression are never complete. Most American Males are just not complete. Jim at least experienced that completeness.

Right.

So, as usual, NW is offering us some really important observations and insights;

observations and insights about:

• MEN becoming-one-in-the-fight;

• how normal and beautiful it is to be a Man into Man2Man skin-on-skin muscle contact and to experience aggression with the same type of guy;

• how mutual aggression with a fellow Man can give a Warrior a super fast and rock-hard-cock ManBoner; and,

• how a Man getting hard like that is perfectly normal, super pleasurable, and a shot of male endorphins which only we males can link to our ManCocks.

These very astute ideas and observations in turn lead to two key concepts:

The Intimacy of Aggression

Natural Male Affection

Both of which aren't merely Male, but are MALE-MALE

MAN2MAN.

Translation:

Natural Male Aggression

MANFIGHT

Natural Male Affection

MANHUG

MANLOVE

Now: I tend to use the word Attraction rather than Affection.

But they're both good and both apt.

For we can see that Male Attraction leads to Male Affection; and that Male Affection leads to Male Attraction.

What's crucial however to Male Attraction - Affection is the other side of the Man2Man equation -- AGGRESSION.

Male x Male Aggression = Male x Male Attraction.

Male x Male Aggression = Male x Male Affection.

So what we can see is that the Intimacy of Aggression leads NATURALLY to the Intimacy of Affection.

Aggression -- Affection

Aggression -- Attraction

Which is then expressed by one of NW's Fight School buddies after a match:

One of the Fighters at one of our Fight School events blatted out to me a while back, after his Fight (the Sweat and Blood on him was like candy as I stood right next to his still-in-fight-mode body), that he had a raging Hard-On after Fighting or even watching a Fight.

Which of course we all do.

Fighting.

Fighting is Man.

Fighting is Good.

Man is Good.

In both AGOGE The Spear-Points of Young Men Blossom There, and the reply to that post, we talked about how the Greeks defined athletics as the Agon -- the Contest: one man's strenuous physical effort to overcome another.

And we talked about how, today, Mixed Martial Arts -- the Fight Sport which NW practices -- comes closest to realizing the ancient Greek ideal of the Agon.

What we can now see, thanks to NW, is that there's a paradox at the heart of the Agon.

Because as you'll see in the following pix, as the two Men struggle to overcome one another, they become ONE in the FIGHT;

And thus experience the uniquely Male Intimacy of Aggression:

The Intimacy of Aggression.

Look at the fighters' hands in these next two photos:

The Intimacy of Aggression.

There are consequences to that Intimacy.

Here's a fighter named Mark Hominick -- after a victorious bout.

Notice the expression on his face, his demeanor.

He has a look of Olympian calm -- a look you often see on Greek statues, particularly of the gods.

Of course Mark is a man, he's not a god.

But I don't think it's an accident that facially, he bears such a strong resemblance to classical Greek sculptures.

Because those sculptures were modeled -- on Men like Mark.

Men who Fought:

That's what you're seeing.

The Olympian calm induced by the experience of becoming One in the Fight -- by the experience of the Intimacy of Aggression.

You can see the Intimacy of Aggression.

And here's something crucial in what NW is saying.

He remembers his sensations from his first fight in PE thirty years ago:

Wow, his skin is smooth and his body is muscled like mine. 30 years after the fact, I still remember that becoming-one-in-the-fight sensation. I remember the sensation of how good he felt, and how good it was to fight a body that felt so good.

So: NW talks about that "becoming-one-in-the-fight sensation."

What's clear, and what must be emphasized, is that:

The Merging of the Two Men occurs not despite the Fight, but BECAUSE OF THE FIGHT.

The Fight -- the Strenuous Physical Struggle of One MAN to Overcome Another -- is essential to those TWO MEN becoming ONE.

That's what happened to Patrick and Paco; and to Lawrence and Gary.

And millions of other guys.

I call it a passage through Rage to Love.

NW relates to it physically -- that sensation of becoming one in the fight.

Either way, it's the same deal.

That's why MEN treasure Fight Sport.

That's why they return to it time and time again.

That's why Fighting will never die.

Because Fighting enables Men to experience something essential to their Maleness -- which they CANNOT experience in any other way.

Now, we've been talking about the Intimacy of Natural Male Aggression.

Let's talk about the other and equally important intimate component of Natural Masculinity, which cannot exist without the first --

and that is, of course, Natural Male Affection / Attraction.

Remember what my foreign friend said:

same-sex needs are the basis of a man's natural positive masculinity

And, he said, such attraction between Men is not unusual or unnatural or abnormal, but is, rather, universal:

male sexual desire for men cannot be tied down to a minority group. Rather it is a universal male phenomenon, especially strong amongst masculine-identified men

"male sexual desire for men is a universal male phenomenon"

We can see that very plainly among the Greeks.

For the Greeks, living in a pre-heterosexualized society, that is to say, living in a homosocial society in which Men spent the vast majority of their time with each other;

and living in a society with no divine prohibition against same-sex love;

and being frequently nude -- since their society not only lacked a divine prohibition against male nudity, but actually encouraged and mandated that Men be nude;

and training daily as they did at the palestra, where they wrestled and fought nude;

and even training for and fighting in armed battle with their genitals exposed --

For such Men as the Greeks, the transition from the Intimacy of Male Aggression to the Intimacy of Male Affection was simple, normal, common, and Natural.

There was no disconnect for them between aggression and affection;

nor did they live in a world in which male affection was restricted to females.

The very idea of "heterosexuality" would have seemed bizarre to them.

Males having no sexual interest in and not allowed to Love other Males?

That would have made no sense to them.

Unfortunately, however, it does make sense, we can assume, to our modern-day MMA fighters, because they're part of our heterosexualized culture.

Yet, as NW points out, Fighting has the power to free them from their heterosexualized beliefs.

At least briefly.

And that's what happened with NW's buddy from Fight School who, having just fought himself, and bearing on his body his and another's Man's sweat and blood, said right and straight out to NW that "he had a raging Hard-On after Fighting or even watching a Fight."

At the moment in which he expressed himself to NW he was living as a MAN -- a FREE MAN -- and not a pawn of an historical force of which doubtless he's never heard but which controls his life.

In that one moment at least he was FREE of that history.

He was a MAN, with the FREEDOM to experience not only the Intimacy of Aggression, but the Intimacy of Attraction and Affection as well.

And I want to look again therefore at some pix we looked at in the Agoge reply:

This is a mixed martial artist named Clay Guida.

He's had a big career.

And he's taken some hits:

But he doesn't quit.

As you can see in this fight with the formidable Josh Thomson.

Now, here's the weigh-in pic.

These guys -- Josh on the left and Clay on the right -- are clowning; but they're also touching -- and touching a lot more intimately than "straight-identified" guys are normally allowed to in a heterosexualized culture.

They're getting away with it because they're fighters.

And no one dares doubt their Manhood.

The fight itself, as I pointed out earlier, is a serious and grim undertaking, a strenuous struggle by one man to overcome another -- through the Intimacy of Aggression:

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