Bill Weintraub

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-18-2005

Hey jedi

Thanx

You're right, and not only is analism, as Robert Loring discusses in A Case of Rape and The Ultimate Defeat, a culture of rape;

but it's also what I call in The Ideology of Anal Penetration an APE culture, consisting of:

A nal

P romiscuity

E ffeminacy

Anal penetration leads to effeminization which leads to promiscuity which leads to more anal penetration.

Over time, the behaviors feed into and reinforce each other.

Effeminacy, for example, is both consequent to and facilitates anal penetration.

While a degraded, effeminate self-image leads to more promiscuity.

And this minority gay / analist culture of course "apes" or mimics the majority heterosexual culture, even though a penetrative male-female model makes no sense for men who have sex with men, since they aren't women and don't have vaginas.

Nevertheless, the buttboyz keep trying to impose their hetero model on homo sex.

Like I say, makes no sense.

You're also absolutely right, jedi, that today's culture imprisons masculinity and male values.

This too is something Robert Loring has addressed on this board, and very persuasively -- see, for example, the message thread titled we were warriors at a time when boys now are like girls.

One of the reasons I encourage men to get involved in a combat sport such as a martial art, is that a good martial arts academy or dojo will re-inforce traditional masculine values while teaching basic warrior survival skills and inculcating self-confidence.

So that's one way out of this particular prison.

That and of course never doing anal.

The biggest mistake any man can make is letting himself get sucked into that APE prison of anal, promiscuity, and effeminacy.

Easy to get in.

Very hard to get out.

Thanks again jedi.

Robert Loring

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-18-2005

I do think in many ways our modern society imprisons masculinity. Society has a growing number of effeminate males all in the name of "political correctness." This PC, however, is detrimental to males psychologically because it seeks to suppress the major part of ourselves (ie: masculinity). There is an ongoing attack against ALL males and their masculinity. This ongoing attack is geared towards disempowering males, confusing males, so they no longer know who they are but, instead, try to become something they are not and never will be. What is happening is an assault on the NATURAL brotherhood that exists between ALL MALES!! That assault is happening on the psychological, physical, and spiritual level. Males should NOT have to suppress or sacrifice their innate masculinity in order to be accepted by any society OR any segment of society. Yet, that sacrifice is exactly what is called for today especially in the culture of the BFD!!

Straight8 society and gay culture alike want males to suppress their masculinity and they don't want males to live out their masculinity. The image of the unloving, uncaring, bruttal, aggressive macho male is thrown in our faces over and over again. There is a demonization of males taking place. A demonization that casts the mask and illusion that all males who live out their masculinity are bruttal, angry, aggressive, destoryers and rapists. But this image is a lie, perhaps the greatest lie ever told.

Within gay culture the male who acts out and lives his masculinity and is proud of it is shunned to varying degrees. He is encouraged to sacrifice his masculinity and become feminized IF he really wants to fit into the BFD culture. He is encouraged to surrender and compromise his masculine values and morals so he will fit in. Meanwhile, few of these men ever consider what all this does to theirselves psychologically or spiritually. They become imprisoned in their own minds and their souls become dimmed as they go forth in the BFD trying to be something they are NOT and NEVER will be. They are living like creatures never meant to be!

To surrender one's NATURAL masculinity IS to become imprisoned just as you say Jedi. And that prison is the WORST kind of prison because it is imprisonment in one's own mind. Once the mind is turned into a prison there is no escape for as long as one keeps his mind a prison.

Jedi I think you hit it right on the head when you said "Anal sex=RAPE"!! Most men, be they gay or not, do NOT enjoy being anally penetrated by another man's penis. During sex man gay men say NO when their bed partner wants to penetrate them. But, eventually they go ahead and do it anyway. That IS rape! Any time ANY person says NO to sex and the other person goes ahead and forces sex on that person anyway it is RAPE! When one forces sex upon another it is rape! The one who gets penetrated against their will is the victim and the one who forced penetration upon them is the RAPIST. There is NO difference between the gay male who rapes OR the straight male who rapes. A rapist is a RAPIST!

Anal sex DOES lead to further feminizing of a male because he becomes more and more confused and loses his sense of masculinity. He becomes further and further imprisoned in his own mind and THAT psychospiritual imprisonment is the real NIGHTMARE that never ends! There are, in fact, many gay men today who are suffering from the aftermath of rape and they don't even know or realize it. They don't realize it because they have locked themselves up in their own minds, in their mental prisons, as a last ditch effort of some measure of self preservation. That TOO is NATURAL. All organisms seek self preservation to any measure even if that measure is minimal.

One of the tasks of the warrior is to liberate the imprisoned from their prisons. Being a warrior is more than just talking or thinking about it. It involves LIVING it. Any man can be a warrior but a real masculine male who lives his masculinity and helps to liberate the oppressed and imprisoned is the man who is the True WARRIOR!!

Sir Robert

PS--more to come on this subject later........stay tuned.......

Greg Milliken

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-18-2005

It all goes back to the basics.

There is no physical explanation for pleasure during shit sex. Gay men will be quick to admit this when they don't realize the justification of their lifestyle hinges on it. For example, I was engaged in a discussion where people were quick to rely on the "sexual power of the mind" as an explanation for pleasure gained during shit sex.

But with frot there is real and definite physical pleasure involved.

Then gay men will tell you that their is an emotional relevance to the act of anal penetration. There is a certain connection one can form from the submissiveness and dominance roles.

Yet if they are interested in sharing a bond with another person that bond is going to have to be based in reality. Otherwise it is left to our minds to interpret how and what is going on in a certain situation. There is no physical, real basis for any kind of bonding during pain sex. In fact, the message that is being transmitted during pain sex is, "Your pain is to be endured so that I may experience pleasure." That is reality.

With frot the message is, "We are equal. My pleasure depends on your pleasure and vice versa. Together we can achieve greatness."

So that leaves us with only one explanation. People practice anal penetration for the sole reason that they have an internalized set of beliefs that tells them it is good.

Which, as is described over and over on this website, is the case. Gay culture tells men that anal penetration is good, so they do it.

There's no real-world basis for it.

There's no emotional basis for it.

It's all based on blind faith in a god that wants to devour your soul and your body.

Not all religions are bad, but almost all religions which demand human sacrifices have been completely rejected. That is because sacrificing human life is an evil practice, and the Cult of Anal Penetration is evil for demanding it.

Greg Milliken

Bill Weintraub

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-18-2005

Wow!

Thank you Jedi, Robert, and Greg.

Greg of course has posted many times on this board -- important posts.

And Robert, in addition to his many posts, is the author of

A Case of Rape;

The Ultimate Defeat; and,

Brothers of the Heart.

Plus, I have in the works another essay by Robert on Masculinity and one by Greg on effeminacy.

Now:

Jedi says anal sex = rape

I suspect that, as Jedi implies, ALL anal penetration is rape, and that we've been too blinded by the buttboyz and their shitfairydust to see that truth.

I talk about that in The Ideology of Anal Penetration, part 3 of an anus is not a vagina.

Question is, can anyone give true consent to an act of degradation?

I suspect not.

When I bottomed, it was because the "top" was making that the price of the relationship.

So even though I consented to it, I was still acting under duress.

"Get fucked or I'll leave you."

In law, as most folks know, a contract made under duress is not valid.

Because consent isn't freely given; it's forced.

And that's something we really need to think about.

Here's what Greg Milliken wrote a few months back:

When a man is penetrated, he must ignore the fact of his genitalia, because they won't be stimulated. The stimulation is all occurring in his anus, which means most of it is occurring in his head. That's not significant from this perspective. What is significant is what ISN'T happening: his genitals aren't given attention. During the course of anal penetration, the "bottom" MUST ignore the possibility that his genitalia are just as good as his partner's. Genitalia are the symbol and essence of masculinity. They are the one identifying feature that, without a microscope and advanced knowledge of the human genome, identify a man--without question--as a male. That's why the male genitalia and the word "manhood" are synonymous. For a man to ignore his genitals during an act of sex is to ignore the fact that he is male. In just the opposite capacity, for a man to believe he is less then a man, he must believe his male genitalia are inferior to his "mangina." The two concepts play hand-in-hand with each other, one to oppress men who love men, the other to kill them.

[emphases mine]

To which I would add:

It's the testes which produce testosterone.

And human beings have long understood that to remove the testes is to destroy the male.

Yet during receptive anal penetration that's what happens.

The testes in effect cease to exist.

As does the man.

Penetration degrades and emasculates.

In his post today, Greg says, "sacrificing human life is an evil practice, and the Cult of Anal Penetration is evil for demanding it."

To which I would add what Robert has said -- that sacrificing manhood is an evil practice.

One definition of masculinity, as Greg has also pointed out, is "that which is natural to a man."

What's more natural to a man, than his manhood?

Robert:

[Under analism, the gay man] is encouraged to sacrifice his masculinity and become feminized IF he really wants to fit into the BFD culture. He is encouraged to surrender and compromise his masculine values and morals so he will fit in. Meanwhile, few of these men ever consider what all this does to theirselves psychologically or spiritually. They become imprisoned in their own minds and their souls become dimmed as they go forth in the BFD trying to be something they are NOT and NEVER will be. They are living like creatures never meant to be!

To surrender one's NATURAL masculinity IS to become imprisoned just as you say Jedi. And that prison is the WORST kind of prison because it is imprisonment in one's own mind. Once the mind is turned into a prison there is no escape for as long as one keeps his mind a prison.

So again, the question is, can a man ever truly consent to have his manhood obliterated?

I don't think so.

I think anal = rape.

For me, what this message thread has done is opened my eyes to that aspect of anal as never before.

And I thank Jedi and Robert and Greg for doing that.

Throughout our Cockrub Warrior / Heroic Homosex / Man2ManAlliance / Frot Men history, there have been what I think of as defining moments.

Here's just one example:

David McQuarrie: ANAL SEX -- IT KILLS

The first time David posted that, I thought it was extreme.

Since then, what we've seen, in the ongoing anally-vectored epidemics, is that David's right.

Now we have Jedi and Robert and Greg saying "Anal = rape."

And that's really important.

Doesn't matter if the guy's your "lover."

Doesn't matter if you're on a date and the guy pressures you and sweet talks you and says it's for forever but if you don't do it he'll leave you -- and you say "Yes."

And obviously if you're physically coerced it's rape.

Fact is, straight guys chasin coochie and gay guys chasin butt use EXACTLY the same tactics to get it: "persistent physical attempts" and "emotional blackmail."

I discuss that in Is Unwanted Anal Penetration Date Rape?.

Bottom line: If you don't want it, and it happens anyway, it's RAPE.

And like Robert says, that is very very very damaging.

If you've been raped, you need in some way to deal with it.

As Robert says,

There are, in fact, many gay men today who are suffering from the aftermath of rape and they don't even know or realize it. They don't realize it because they have locked themselves up in their own minds, in their mental prisons, as a last ditch effort of some measure of self preservation. That TOO is NATURAL. All organisms seek self preservation to any measure even if that measure is minimal.

One of the tasks of the warrior is to liberate the imprisoned from their prisons. Being a warrior is more than just talking or thinking about it. It involves LIVING it. Any man can be a warrior but a real masculine male who lives his masculinity and helps to liberate the oppressed and imprisoned is the man who is the True WARRIOR!!

So you don't want to stay in that prison, and you want to help other men to get out as well.

In addition to the issue of rape, in his posts Robert has taken on, as I see it, what is really the last taboo in our culture right now, and that's the denial of masculinity.

And as Robert points out, that denial is not restricted to analism and the BFD aka the Buttfuck Dictatorship.

Rather it's now integral to mass culture.

It takes tremendous courage and tremendous independence of mind to take on the majority culture -- and that's what Robert and Greg and Jedi are doing.

And in so doing they join Don Frazer, Chuck Tarver, Mart Finn, Ben Stockpeck, Bill G, Bill S, David McQuarrie, Oscar Vallejo, Joel Aufiero, Logan McClintock, Naked Wrestler, Gene, Beagle Jones, and a host of other men -- more than 3000 -- who've been willing to question the shibboleths of the majority.

Thank you Sir Robert, Jedi, and Greg -- true Warriors and a great Warrior team!

Robert Loring

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-20-2005

In my many studies I once came across a statement authored by a therapist that deals primarily with rape victims that shocked me. Regarding male rape, this therapist pointed out that when a heterosexual male is raped by other males his thoughts become fixated upon the loss of his masculinity. He wonders if and how he will ever regain his sense of manhood and he even wonders if it is even possible to regain his sense of masculinity. A raped straight8 man often spends years (if not the rest of his life) trying to regain his sense of manhood. He spends years locked in the prison of his own mind. The worst kind of prison! He is, in many ways, a man lost and walking in darkness and with each passing thought on his own rape experience he tends to even walk further into a darkness that few can even imagine or comprehend. He is, in fact, a man forced to deal with the aftermath of being a rape victim. A man forced to walk through Hell even though he is still part of the living. Sadly, the suicide rate among straight8 males who have been raped is extraordinarily high yet this statistic is no real surprise as few men can deal with the psychological and spiritual (psychospiritual) aftermath of having been raped.

In contrast, this same therapist wrote in regard to gay males that have been raped that their thoughts become fixated on wondering whether they can ever trust another male again. The gay male rape victim walks through a similar Hell as that of the straight8 male rape victim. His psychospiritual Hell is no less significant than that of the straight8 male rape victim. Yet, the suicide stats regarding gay males who have been raped are not near those of the straight8 males who have been raped. This surprised and shocked me as I wondered what is the core difference between the straight8 and gay male both of whom have been raped and anally penetrated against their own will and desire. Why, I wondered, does the straight8 male rape victim focus on regaining his manhood while the gay rape victim focuses on trusting other males? One would think that both types of males would be focused upon regaining their masculinity. But they are not.

As I pondered these questions I began to understand that the gay male rape victim already had no masculinity to lose because he had already lost his masculinity via the dictates of the BFD that demand anal as a part of the gay lifestyle. The gay male rape victim cannot lose his masculinity because he has already lost it. So herein lies the difference between the straight and gay male who has been raped. Since he has already lost his masculinity (thanks to the dictates of the BFD) the gay male rape victim fixates his thoughts on issues of trust rather than on issues of loss of his manhood.

Prior to being raped by other males, the straight8 male has his sense of masculinity. In the aftermath of the rape this male fixates his thoughts on regaining his manhood. Yes, there are issues of trust just like the gay male has BUT the majority of his thoughts are centered on regaining his manhood and issues of trust play a secondary role in the mind of the straight8 male rape victim whereas in the gay male trust issue play a primary role as he has already lost his manhood simply by being a part of the BFD culture and giving into it's commands. I am sure that gay males also think about the loss of their masculinity and some even try to regain it after having been raped but it seems this focus on manhood is secondary among gay males while it is primary among straight8 male rape victims. So, here lies the difference between the two. The straight8 male focuses on loss of masculinity issues while the gay male focuses on loss of trust issues because, frankly, the gay male lost his masculinity long ago when he was first anally penetrated by one of the BFD's own adherents.

I find this disturbing. Disturbing in the sense of the gay male having already lost his manhood long ago the very first time he allowed another male to penetrate his anus. The REAL rape doesn't begin when the gay male is physically raped by another male. The REAL rape begins when the gay male engages in the deadly and lethal act of anal sex and it is the BFD that is the real PERPETRATOR!! It is the BFD that is the REAL RAPIST!! And every day it rapes and pillages thousands to millions of gay men repeatedly plundering and destroying any sense of masculinity they might have left!! Herein lies the real ATROCITY as millions unwilling submit to the dictates of the BFD and it's lack of values, morals, and honor.

On the physical level the butt fuck culture destroys enough and on this level itself the trauma of the victims is bad enough. But, on the psychospiritual level the devastation is so great that few can even imagine it's extent even among the victims themselves. The butt rape culture of gay society destroys and kills not only on the physical-bodily level but also on the psychological and spiritual level. It is, I think, that destruction on the psychospiritual level that becomes most complete long before the destruction of the physical body is even realized.

The physical body of a man eventually dies and returns to the earth from which it came. But, I believe that the psychospiritual part of a man continues on long after physical death. When we die we take all of our thoughts and emotions with us into the afterworld including those thoughts and emotions that we have not dealt with and resolved while on this earth in life. So, when the raped male dies with unresolved issues he takes those issues with him into the next world. All that has been left behind is his physical body but his thoughts and emotions continue on with him after the man's spirit leaves his physical body. Can you imagine what this must be like? Imagine that this male rape victim thought death might be a relief only to find that all his thoughts and emotions go into the next world with him? Now that is the REAL HELL as far as I'm concerned because such a male find himself STILL in the SAME psychospiritual "Hell" that he was in while in his body on earth!! What greater Hell is there than the Hell that exists in our own minds, thoughts, and emotions???

The BFD destroys men and their masculinity. When a male who is a part of this dictatorship is raped he does not worry about loss of his masculinity because he already lost it long ago when he first gave into the dictates and evil demands of the BFD. Loss of manhood is not an issue for him. Lack of Trust is the issue for him!

It is easy to see the destruction caused by the BFD on the physical-bodily level but it is not so easy to realize the psychological and spiritual destruction caused by the BFD and it's butt-rape mentality. Honestly, from a psychological standpoint, I've seen many telling signs and behaviors from gay males which are matters of concern. Signs and behaviors that are indicative of emotional problems. But, I am never surprised as I know that these behaviors are behaviors NOT of psychosis but of SELF PRESERVATION!! The human organism will often go to extreme lengths to preserve itself psychologically, spiritually, and/or physically and SO will any other species on this planet. If that means retreating into and finding some small element of salvation and refuge in odd behaviors then that is exactly what will transpire for it is a matter of preservation of the man, literally, at ANY cost. And this is so EVEN if it means the male acting out the role of a female because in his femininity he finds some element of self preservation. We cannot blame anyone for that!

The problem, however, lies in the ongoing participation in the dictates of the rape culture we live in today and the BFD. The best solution, I think, would be for the man to GET OUT of the BFD culture and stop being a part of something that is deadly and destructive. That sounds easy BUT that is NOT always so easy to do especially for a male who is weak and vulnerable psychospiritually. And a male who has been raped once or repeatedly is a male that is weak and vulnerable. When we experience trauma and shock in our lives and we find some element of self preservation and refuge we are not so easily willing to give up that element or place of self preservation and refuge EVEN if that element or place of refuge may be doing us further harm than good.

Rape is a horrible nightmare whether the victim be male or female, straight, gay, or whatever. Rape is NEVER a "nice" issue nor is it ever an "easy" issue to deal with. The aftermath of ANY form of rape falls upon the victim to deal with and for males this is often most difficult to deal with. Afterall, in our self righteous ego-worshipping society males are not supposed to get raped. BUT, they do and it DOES happen more often than anyone thinks or perhaps wants to think about!! It is pandemic in the BFD!! Butt rape is not only expected but demanded by the BFD. If you are not on the receiving end or perpetrator of the ongoing anal rape in the BFD culture then you are SHUNNED from the culture. You become a man without a culture....that is until you come here to this warrior site and discover that there are others like you who REFUSE to be a part of the BFD and challenge the dictates of the BFD. When you come here to this site you find many other males like you. You discover a sense of belongingness and of BROTHERHOOD! Here you find not only relief but salvation and self preservation in the knowing and realization that you are NOT alone! That is one thing that makes this site so important and that is one reason this site must be continued. It is a beacon of LIGHT shining out into the darkness; a darkness and evil created and kept going by the BFD and it's psychotic rapist oriented dictates and demands.

Ok I'm beginning to feel as though I'm writing another dissertation for another doctorate degree which is really turning me off right now lol. So I will end this for now. I will end by saying that we must deeply ponder what is not so obvious amid the BFD and the rape culture we live in today. We must go beyond the obvious and open the hornet's nest of the psychospiritual effects that are taking place as a result of a culture that does NOT value life and honor but of a culture that, in reality, only values death and dishonor.

Sir Robert

Robert Loring

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-21-2005

Bill wrote above;

"In addition to the issue of rape, in his posts Robert has taken on, as I see it, what is really the last taboo in our culture right now, and that's the denial of masculinity. And as Robert points out, that denial is not restricted to analism and the BFD aka the Buttfuck Dictatorship. Rather it's now integral to mass culture."

I think that within the mass culture there is a move to deny male masculinity. I think natural male masculinity has been demonized in some respects. It has been labeled as "bad" and the movement is to replace natural male masculinity with something more "politically correct." The PC replacement seems to want to replace natural male masculinity with femininity or at the least to make males less masculine and alittle feminine so they will show their "softer" side.

I think, however, that this PC regarding masculinity goes further and to the point of being destructive to males. Natural male aggression and competitiveness is being labeled as "bad" and "unacceptable." This constant attack disempowers a male and confuses him. A male has these feelings but more and more is not allowed to express these feelings so he bottles them up so he'll be PC and acceptable. That kills the male spirit I think! Further, many males today are shaving their natural male body hair on all parts of their body. They resemble the smooth fems of the BFD! They are encouraged to be "gentle" and every time they express anything naturally male they are jumped on by their peers. Why should a male be taught to be ashamed of the natural hair growth on his body? Why should a male be taught to be ashamed of his penis, hairy chest, facial hair, hairy arms/legs, or pubic hair? Why should we be ashamed of something that is natural to us and try to be something we are NOT and NEVER will be? Sorry but all the PC is really INSANITY as far as I'm concerned. Insanity designed to kill or at least dim the natural masculine spirit and the innate WARRIOR within every male.

Honestly, what REALLY turns me off about gay males is their insistence towards acting like women! The smooth body, the flowery clothing, the cologne, the speech, the mannerisms, all of it is a complete TURN OFF. I see gay guys like this and I wonder, "Why don't they just be themselves? Men can be gay BUT still be MEN!". When I confronted some of them they tell me they are being themselves BUT I don't think they are. Someone (ie: the BFD) has conned them into THINKING they are being themselves but it is an illusion. What they are actually doing is conforming to the dictates of the BFD and now it seems some of the dictates of the BFD have spilled over into the larger mass society as we sit and witness the feminization of men EVEN in men in the mainstream heterosexual culture. The BFD and it's adherents deny their masculinity and now that same denial of masculinity is happening in the mainstream mass culture of our society! Personally, I find it DISGUSTING and unnatural. MEN need to simply BE MEN and to hell with what the PC people think or want because they're insane anyway!

Men need to be MASCULINE men I believe. And it doesn't matter if they are straight8, gay, bisexual, or whatever. They need to be what they are and that is MEN! Talk about being imprisoned in one's own mind, that psychospiritual prison only grows worse when a male of any sexual preference begins to deny and reject his masculinity. His masculinity bottles up inside him until one day it explodes in whatever way either in a fit of rage, suicide, whatever. Another way it explodes may be via alcoholism and drug use and abuse. Many people use drugs and alcohol in a futile effort to deal with or not have to deal with something in their lives. Alcoholism and drug addiction are widespread in gay culture. But, they are also widespread in mainstream heterosexual culture as well. I think in many ways alcohol and drugs are used by males who are in denial of their own selves and of their own masculinity and part of that is sociological because we appear to be living in a society that desires denial of natural male masculinity. A society that wants males to replace their innate characteristics and traits with something that is UNnatural (ie: male femininity).

Sir Robert

jedi

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-21-2005

THE TRUTH MUST BE TOLD

YES WE LIVE IN A RAPE CULTURE HELL

ANAL = RAPE

WHETHER WANTED OR MUTUAL...

YES, EACH ANAL SEX ACT IS RAPE

REGARDLESS.

SOMETIMES WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN

IT CAN BE REALLY SHOCKING

ALL THESE GUYS RAPING AND DESTROYING EACH OTHER AND THEN THEY CALL IT FUN

SUICIDE SOCIETY???

MAD HOUSE????

NOT SURE

BUT IN ONE THING I AM SURE

WE THE WARRIORS ARE MUCH STRONGER THAN THEM

AND ONE DAY WE RE GONNA CRACK THEIR BASIS OF POWER

WE JUST NEED ENDURANCE

INTELLIGENCE

TEAMWORK

AND PASSION TO FIGHT FOR WHAT WE ARE

TILL THE LAST BLOOD DROP

I HATE THESE SLUTS

THEY MADE MY LIFE MISERABLE

AND THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT...

jedi

Bill Weintraub

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-23-2005

Thank you guys.

This is of course a very intense issue.

Jedi, the buttboyz have made many of our lives miserable.

They certainly did mine, not just from the pressure to do anal and the denigration of Frot, but because their fucked-up buttfuck view of the universe cost my lover his life.

And a lot of other people's lovers and sons and brothers and fathers and so forth as well.

And now we have a worldwide HIV epidemic with more than 40 million people infected, and millions of dead, including of course millions of women and children.

It's an utterly sickening toll.

Once in a while someone says to me, Bill, you sound very angry.

No kidding.

My late lover Brett was a handsome, intelligent, moral, caring man of great personal integrity who died very young -- and for no reason.

Brett had no interest in anal.

I know, because we spent years together passionately making love without ever doing anal.

Brett had the misfortune to come out in 1978, when analism had moved into high gear.

His first experiences were Frot experiences, and he loved them.

But when he got out of college and moved to Richmond, he found himself in a circle in which he was expected to do anal.

And he did.

And it killed him.

Very slowly, very painfully, and very gruesomely.

And here's the deal.

As bad as Brett's suffering was, it was no worse than that of anyone else I knew.

And I knew about 200 guys who died.

That's the part of this story which no one can truly understand.

That to truly comprehend the epidemic in America, you have to take Brett's suffering and multiply it by 500,000.

And no human being can comprehend that level of suffering.

Not possible.

If that weren't bad enough, at present we have another 500,000 gay and bi men in America infected with HIV.

And every one of those guys got infected the same way Brett did.

Through anal penetration.

The difference is that when Brett got infected, nobody knew that AIDS existed.

When these guys got infected, virtually every one of them knew about HIV and how it's transmitted.

The brutal fact is that the gay male community, so-called, has done NOTHING to curtail anal penetration.

To the contrary: it has exalted and enshrined this utterly deadly practice in its communal heart.

The question is, Why.

And in his last post in this thread, Robert looked at part of the answer -- which is the unceasing attacks upon men and masculinity which have marked the last forty years or so of mass culture.

Those attacks of course come out of feminism.

But what we need to understand is that there are basically two branches of feminism.

One has concerned itself with what most people think of as bread-and-butter issues: women obtaining the right to vote, the right to work, the right to pay which is comparable to a man's, and otherwise to fully and equally participate in public life; and in addition, women making sure that they have control of their bodies through access to birth control, and, sadly in my view, abortion.

And of course with the exception of abortion, most people in the Western world and in large parts of the rest of the world believe that women should have these rights.

But of course there's another branch of feminism, which is more radical, and which views men and masculinity as the root of all evil.

In this branch of feminism, men are seen as intrinsically violent, aggressive, and dangerous -- to women, to other men, and to themselves.

And it's believed that the way to control that violent aspect of masculinity is to get men "in touch with their feminine side": in effect, to feminize them.

This branch of feminist theory is heavily represented in academia and the arts, and has a correspondingly big impact on popular culture.

Part of the reason that it's so prevalent in popular culture is that women are a big media market.

For example, the cable TV channel LIFETIME has had enormous success with the sort of made-for-TV movie which Patrick calls a "titty-twister."

A titty-twister, says Patrick, is "a feminist lament about the hardships of being female, which most of time is pure sexist bullshit."

These are movies in which all the men are pigs and all the women heroines.

In the real world, of course, life is more complicated.

But these movies are very popular.

And of course there's a virtually endless number of similar enterprises throughout the mass media.

Now, behavior follows from belief.

So, if you believe that it's good for men to "get in touch with their feminine side"; you are likely to also believe that it's good for men to be effeminized through anal penetration.

Because that follows logically.

If men in their pure masculine state are dangerously violent and aggressive, one way of dealing with that is -- to de-masculinize them.

Emasculate.

Effeminize.

And you need to understand, when you're debating analists, that many of the analist ideologues view their defense of anal penetration as being a defense of gender feminism as well.

That's one reason they're so adamant.

To them, effeminization is good because it fits with a feminist view of the universe. So

when they're defending anal, they think they're also defending their feminist allies, who will defend them in turn.

In my experience, that's not so.

Feminists, like other political types, are after power, and since they don't much like men, if anyone's going to get sacrificed as they pursue that power, it will be their erstwhile gay male allies.

And indeed, Brett and I saw that dynamic in action when we lived in NYC, where he edited the gay paper and I was active in gay causes.

Basically, the lesbian-feminists we associated with had a great dislike of those we used to jokingly call "people with penises"; and they did not hesitate, when they thought it necessary, to sell one or more of those people down the river.

They were without question sexist -- they judged men not as individuals, but as "males" and therefore suspect.

So: it's that form of feminism, which distrusts and dislikes men and masculinity, which informs much of mass culture, including gay culture, today.

And it's an irony, is it not, that feminist theory, which of course views rape as an exertion and extension of male power, should have given rise to RAPE CULTURE.

But it has.

Because once you believe that it's good for men to be effeminized, you're on your way to creating the cultural conditions which will result in a culture of men raping men.

FIGHT BACK

SAVE YOUR LIFE

Greg Milliken

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-24-2005

Robert said:

Butt rape is not only expected but demanded by the BFD. If you are not on the receiving end or perpetrator of the ongoing anal rape in the BFD culture then you are SHUNNED from the culture.

Robert is absolutely right. Here's a quote from an analist who runs his own "anti-stereotype" group for gay men:

"I've also run into a number of "total tops" who were babies about getting fucked. Something to do with the "bitch" role that they can't handle the idea of themselves being. That or they don't want to become "totally gay" by taking a dick up their ass. Get over it, get on your hands and knees and have some fun. Geezus."

And he very eloquently presents your choices for you.

Support your fellow frot men--

Or get over it, get on your hands and knees and "have some fun."

Of course, by "have some fun" he means take a dick up your ass.

So in order for that to be "fun," you would have to ignore the pain, shit, and disease inherent in the act.

Lots of men figure out how to do the first two. Unfortunately, there's not much you can do to ignore a life-threatening illness.

This is just another example of doublethink -- pain is fun.

Pain is not fun.

Pleasure is fun.

And you're not going to find pleasure by getting on your hands and knees while a faceless, nameless thing fucks you in the ass.

"Get on your hands and knees"

What difference does it make whether you see someone's face or not if you're only trying to get off?

None. At

that point your concern isn't for bonding with a brother, it's for finding a cheap, fleeting thrill.

Something you won't even remember in two weeks.

When you could take the time to get to know these people and form a community.

I've seen so many gay friendships fall apart, always because the people meeting for the group became more and more promiscuous.

You need to have a real interest in the other guys out there if you want to find real friends. Not JUST about frot, although that is an important point to have in common. After all, if someone puts fucking above your health, how can they be your friend?

They can't.

And that's why it's so important for us to combat promiscuity in addition to anal.

But in order for either of the two above to be worthwhile, you'll have to stop effeminacy.

If you won't fight, then there's not much point to opposing promiscuity and anal sex.

Because the enemy is willing to rape you into submission.

I've seen a guy who would be perfectly comfortable with frot suddenly have a need to be penetrated after being raped.

So if you won't fight, they will.

And you'll lose.

Please donate.

Greg Milliken

Robert Loring

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-25-2005

I trust all of you had a good Thanksgiving and that now instead of the Turkey being stuffed, you are the one stuffed lol. Actually, this is the first time I've laughed since the day before yesterday as my Thanksgiving was marred by some bad news that relates to this thread.

I received word yesterday morning that a young man committed suicide Wednesday night after having gone out to "have some fun" at the gay bars in down. This young man was in his early 20s. He was very nice looking, very intelligent, very giving and loving to other people. He is now another life lost to the BFD. He is now another gay suicide statistic. He will no longer grace the world with his good looks, intelligence, and loving heart. For, he now lays in a cooler and his body is now just an empty shell. Again, the world has LOST!

Sam (not his real name BTW) had some issues with being gay. He was attracted to other males and he had a real desire to "fit in" with people of like mind. He wanted to be liked and he wanted others to like him. He knew that anal sex was not safe sex but I suppose he surrendered his knowing in order to "fit in" and be a part of the gay crowd, the BFD. This desire...this surrender....has now cost him his life.

Friends say that Sam had had a few drinks Wednesday night at one of the gay bars. Several gay men were "coming on" to him all night. Of course, they were buttboyz wanting to have anal sex with him. Sam had some issues with engagin in anal sex but, sadly, he engaged in that form of sex so that he could "fit in" with the BFD and be accepted instead of rejected by other gay men. He wanted to be liked. He wanted to be accepted. He wanted to be loved and to give love. None of these things are out of the ordinary for ANY person of ANY sexual preference! We ALL want to be liked, accepted, loved, and we ALL want to give love.

Sam and myself had had a few conversations about spiritual/religious matters and issues and apparently some of what I said stuck in his head. I feel no regret for that and I'd tell him or anyone else the same thing when it comes to analism and issues of God. We had also had a few conversations about frot as an alternative to analism. Wednesday night at the bar, Sam being intoxicated was approached by a man who came on to him very heavily. Apparently the man wanted to take him home and butt bang him and that is when Sam "went off" becoming angry. In short, Sam "lost it" Wednesday night in that bar and he became very loud and angry shouting out to the crowd in the bar that they were all death waiting to happen. Among other things Sam let the crowd know that they were all "sinners" and "with tickets to burn in Hell." He also let them know that he was "not a piece of free meat to give HIV to." Apparently, some of his comments caused his "friends" to confront him and tell him to "shut up." Sam was eventually thrown out of the bar as he refused to leave voluntarily.

Sam had been raised as a Christian so he had a sense and knowing of God and Christ. But, Sam could not reconcile the idea of Christ with the ideas of the BFD and the buttboyz. In his mind they both directly opposed eachother even though Sam himself was engaging in the dictates of the BFD in order to fit in and be accepted in the gay community. That in and of itself is contradictory. I think Sam knew that and I think Sam saw no way to reconcile the two either. He was double-minded. On the one hand he followed the expectations of the BFD and it's analism yet on the other hand he knew it was wrong and he did not like it. He felt like a cheap piece of free meat. He was a young man in both psychological and spiritual conflict and that conflict culminated in his suicide.

I saw Sam as yet another victim. Not just any victim but as a rape victim! A rape victim living in a rape society overflowing with double messages. It came as no surprise to me when I was informed of Sam's suicide. Suicide among rape victims is actually very high. Most people simply cannot deal with rape once much less having been raped repeatedly. And, as far as I'm concerned, being butt banged over and over again IS repeat RAPE!

It is my hope that the BFD is now proud of itself for "conquering" yet another victim of it's insanity, SIN, and rape! The BFD has won another victory but that victory is DARK and EVIL just as all other victories of the buttboyz are. The BFD can now stand tall and proud for having killed a beautiful LIGHT in the world in the incarnation of Sam! Sam did not commit suicide. Sam was murdered by the BFD and their insanity! The BFD are killers! How many lives have they taken? How many beautiful lights in the world have they extinquished ruthlessly? And, think of it, all in the name of 2 minutes of butt bang pleasure!! The BFD is a pack of whores without morals, without values, without any real intelligence, and without ANY compassion for ANY human life! If you are a part of the BFD then YOU are the same! You seek only after your own 2 minutes of pleasure and you DON'T care at all about the other person in ANY manner EVEN though you might claim otherwise. Lovers and people who truly DO love each other DO NOT engage in activities or behaviors that are DANGEROUS and DEADLY! Get a fucking CLUE! What part of THAT do you not understand??????

Everytime a Light in the form of a beautiful person is extinquished by ANY means, the world becomes alittle more darker for ALL of us. Do ANY of us really need or want more darkness in the world today? Don't we already have enough of that? Aren't most of our lives and souls crying out today for LOVE.....REAL love? And real love is LIGHT not darkness! You will NOT find any of this REAL LOVE in the realms of the BFD. Therein you will only find darkness, selfishness, and psychotic desire beyond measure. You can be gay and love other males and you can search for someone to really love you and meet you as an EQUAL. But you will NOT find that within the dark realms of the BFD because the buttboyz are out for themselves and for themselves alone. They care NOTHING about YOU! They don't even have a clue as to what LOVE really is. If they did then they would NOT be promoting the agenda and behaviors that are destructive of the BFD.

Sam is now gone from this world and he now stands in the realms of God's Light eternal. Now he no longer has to tolerate the BFD. Now he no longer has to live in conflict within himself. Now he is no longer a rape victim for he is simply what he has always been and what all of us are. What is that? Very simply, a Son of Light!

Goodbye Sam my friend. I'll see you again when my time comes to change worlds!!

Sir Robert

Bill Weintraub

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-25-2005

Thank you Robert.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

Guys, to understand the sort of nonstop pressure which men like Sam -- and yourselves -- face, each and every day, I want to return to the example presented by Greg in his last message in this thread.

Greg is quoting the moderator of a gay male / analist internet group:

I've also run into a number of "total tops" who were babies about getting fucked. Something to do with the "bitch" rol that they can't handle the idea of themselves being. That or they don't want to become "totally gay" by taking a dick up their ass. Get over it, get on your hands and knees and have some fun. Geezus.

This is an excellent example of a cultural message and a cultural messenger.

It's a safe assumption that the guy who has this group is not paid or anything like that to dessminate this message.

He's doing it because he believes in what he's saying.

(Just as the man who told Rosa Parks to give up her seat believed in what he was saying.)

And what our analist is pushing here is "versatility," which as I explain in The Ideology of Anal Penetration, is the subcultural ideal, through which gay men become "intersexed" and functionally transgendered -- thus constituting the "new gay man."

Who, because he can "play both roles" in anal penetration, is rid of his bothersome masculinity.

Notice also that our analist trys to associate guys who won't bottom with traditional, "patriarchal" -- though he doesn't use that word -- sex roles.

A guy who won't bottom fears, he says, being a "bitch."

And look at how effectively he uses schoolyard-style peer pressure -- actually bullying -- Guys who won't bottom are "babies," they need to "get over it" so they can "have some fun" -- to enforce the subcultural norm.

"Don't be a baby"

"Get over it"

"Have some fun"

It's adolescent, but that sort of pressure is VERY effective.

That's why he's using it.

And that's why I keep warning you that on your own, most of you will never withstand it.

Because human beings are social animals who are meant to succumb to peer pressure.

And that's what was being done to Sam -- those sorts of bullying, schoolyard tactics are used over and over again when guys won't bend over or otherwise conform.

Now, Robert and Greg and Jedi have talked about the toll in human lives.

What's appalling about this epidemiologically, is that versatility, which is what this analist is pushing, is the worst thing he could encourage vis-a-vis HIV.

Actually, in America, where most men are circumcised, a rigid division into tops and bottoms would effectively prevent the spread of HIV.

Because if the top isn't infected, he can't give HIV to the bottom.

And if he's circumcised, his chances of getting HIV from the bottom are dramatically reduced.

At least, and to be fair, we know that's true for penile-vaginal sex.

Of course we also know that HIV prevalence in rectal secretions is very high.

Still, a circumcised guy who *tops only* is at far lower risk that an uncut top or a versatile man.

Which is why, as Rotello explains in Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men, it was versatility, along with promiscuity, which created the MSM AIDS epidemic.

A guy would bottom on Monday and get infected with HIV, and then top on Thursday and infect someone else with HIV.

If you were HIV, you couldn't ask for a better or more efficient delivery system.

Worked great.

And still does.

Works so well, in fact, that at least a million American MSM have been infected -- half of whom are dead.

So here we have a cultural messenger encouraging men to effeminize by taking on the "bitch" role, and completely ignoring the health implications of what he's doing.

Which is what we would expect; since, as we've seen:

For more than two decades the gay male community has put the promotion of anal, promiscuity, and effeminacy ahead of protecting the lives of gay men.

It is, as I say, appalling, but also very striking.

Even Larry Kramer, who has, in theory, devoted the last twenty-five years of his life to fighting AIDS, refused to endorse us (that is, the Frot Movement) until 2005, and then backed off very quickly when gay conservative Andrew Sullivan accused us of being "discriminatory" towards the effeminate.

Never mind that I pointed out to Larry

1. that he didn't have to embrace our analysis of effeminacy to promote Frot;

2. that we're not in a position to discriminate against anyone;

3. that what we're saying is that we reject effeminacy in our own lives and will not support it in the lives of others; and,

4. that we do so because effeminacy buys into the primary lie of those who oppress men who have sex with men, and, not surprisingly, is both a consequence of and *facilitates* anal penetration.

Didn't matter.

Sullivan's insistence on gay male / effeminist orthodoxy was enough to frighten Kramer, who, it would appear, agreed that protecting effeminacy was more important than stopping HIV.

Even though there's no question that encouraging men to do Frot would decrease the rate of new HIV infections.

No one disagrees about that.

Now -- who is Sullivan?

Sullivan, by his own account in his autobiographical work The Eye in the Storm, chose anal, and chose receptive anal, and chose condomless receptive anal in 1996, and thus became infected with HIV.

So Sullivan got fucked up the ass bareback and got HIV.

That's who Sullivan is: a shitfairy, a buttboy, and a barebacker.

There were later reports, I don't know how accurate, that Sullivan continued to bareback after he was infected.

Not exactly what you'd call an objective critic of the Frot Movement.

He's also a big supporter of big pharma -- the huge drug companies upon whose research he's now, thanks to his OWN CHOICES, utterly dependent for life.

He defends big pharma's huge profits; those are necessary he says, for them to do the research which keeps HIM alive.

Nevermind that those big profits may prevent other people from being treated for AIDS or a host of other diseases.

Sullivan needs big pharma.

Sullivan, like so many other professional conservatives, is big on personal responsibility except when it comes to -- himself.

Because, it turns out, he blames his sero-conversion on -- Gay Liberation.

A political movement which no longer existed when Sullivan acquired HIV.

Is he right?

No.

I'm a Gay Liberationist, and I don't have HIV.

Because I'm not stupid.

And because I understand what Gay Liberation is about.

It's about sexual self-actualization -- not mindlessly getting fucked up the butt.

The dominant culture of anal penetration aka the BFD has nothing to do with Gay Lib.

The BFD is about the imposition of a Stalinist-style orthodoxy on what had been a liberationist -- indeed, in sexual terms, anarchist -- community.

That's what happened.

And it's not surprising, in that regard, that a social conservative like Sullivan would be such an ardent supporter of the analist status quo.

Sullivan, in my view, is a fuddy-duddy and a dope.

Which I also told Larry.

But he's an influential dope.

And so too is our nameless analist whom Greg has quoted.

He's a dope.

But he's an effective dope.

To repeat, his language in that paragraph is very effective:

I've also run into a number of "total tops" who were babies about getting fucked. Something to do with the "bitch" role that they can't handle the idea of themselves being. That or they don't want to become "totally gay" by taking a dick up their ass. Get over it, get on your hands and knees and have some fun. Geezus.

Again, see how he bullies: guys who won't bottom are "babies," they need to "get over it" so they can "have some fun."

And he ends with a bit of blasphemy -- "Geezus" -- just to make clear that this is a secular choice -- none of that namby-pamby religion for him.

We can imagine these tactics used on a guy like Sam over and over and over again.

Finally, as Robert reports, Sam rebelled:

Friends say that Sam had had a few drinks Wednesday night at one of the gay bars. Several gay men were "coming on" to him all night. Of course, they were buttboyz wanting to have anal sex with him. Sam had some issues with engagin in anal sex but, sadly, he engaged in that form of sex so that he could "fit in" with the BFD and be accepted instead of rejected by other gay men. He wanted to be liked. He wanted to be accepted. He wanted to be loved and to give love. None of these things are out of the ordinary for ANY person of ANY sexual preference! We ALL want to be liked, accepted, loved, and we ALL want to give love.

[Which means we're all vulnerable to peer pressure -- and of course, especially when we're young.]

..

Wednesday night at the bar, Sam being intoxicated was approached by a man who came on to him very heavily. Apparently the man wanted to take him home and butt bang him and that is when Sam "went off" becoming angry. In short, Sam "lost it" Wednesday night in that bar and he became very loud and angry shouting out to the crowd in the bar that they were all death waiting to happen. Among other things Sam let the crowd know that they were all "sinners" and "with tickets to burn in Hell." He also let them know that he was "not a piece of free meat to give HIV to." Apparently, some of his comments caused his "friends" to confront him and tell him to "shut up." Sam was eventually thrown out of the bar as he refused to leave voluntarily.

[When Sam refused to bend over, he was ostracized.]

..

Sam could not reconcile the idea of Christ with the ideas of the BFD and the buttboyz. ... On the one hand he followed the expectations of the BFD and it's analism yet on the other hand he knew it was wrong and he did not like it. He felt like a cheap piece of free meat. He was a young man in both psychological and spiritual conflict and that conflict culminated in his suicide.

[Religion teaches that we are not disposable. Yet Sam felt like cheap meat because that's what he was to his peers -- something to be consumed.]

..

I saw Sam as yet another victim. Not just any victim but as a rape victim! A rape victim living in a rape society overflowing with double messages. It came as no surprise to me when I was informed of Sam's suicide. Suicide among rape victims is actually very high. Most people simply cannot deal with rape once much less having been raped repeatedly. And, as far as I'm concerned, being butt banged over and over again IS repeat RAPE!

..

Sam was murdered by the BFD and their insanity! The BFD are killers! How many lives have they taken? How many beautiful lights in the world have they extinquished ruthlessly? And, think of it, all in the name of 2 minutes of butt bang pleasure!! The BFD is a pack of whores without morals, without values, without any real intelligence, and without ANY compassion for ANY human life! If you are a part of the BFD then YOU are the same! You seek only after your own 2 minutes of pleasure and you DON'T care at all about the other person in ANY manner EVEN though you might claim otherwise. Lovers and people who truly DO love each other DO NOT engage in activities or behaviors that are DANGEROUS and DEADLY! Get a fucking CLUE! What part of THAT do you not understand??????

Everytime a Light in the form of a beautiful person is extinquished by ANY means, the world becomes a little more darker for ALL of us. Do ANY of us really need or want more darkness in the world today? Don't we already have enough of that? Aren't most of our lives and souls crying out today for LOVE.....REAL love? And real love is LIGHT not darkness! You will NOT find any of this REAL LOVE in the realms of the BFD. Therein you will only find darkness, selfishness, and psychotic desire beyond measure. You can be gay and love other males and you can search for someone to really love you and meet you as an EQUAL. But you will NOT find that within the dark realms of the BFD because the buttboyz are out for themselves and for themselves alone. They care NOTHING about YOU! They don't even have a clue as to what LOVE really is. If they did then they would NOT be promoting the agenda and behaviors that are destructive of the BFD.

[Robert's right. Too many of us are looking for love in all the wrong places.]

Sam is now gone from this world and he now stands in the realms of God's Light eternal. Now he no longer has to tolerate the BFD. Now he no longer has to live in conflict within himself. Now he is no longer a rape victim for he is simply what he has always been and what all of us are. What is that? Very simply, a Son of Light! [emphases mine]

Yes.

In Judaism we are taught, in the words of the book of prayer, that

there is in man, created in the image of God, a Divine spark: each human life therefore is sacred and of infinite worth.

"Sacred and of Infinite Worth."

Yet, in order to preserve one sex act, the gay male community has repeatedly sacrificed the lives of men like Sam -- and my late lover.

That's the truth.

That why it was and is done.

These men have been sacrificed to an analist Moloch, a secular, buttfuck Baal.

NEEDLESSLY.

We could stop the transmission of every anally-vectored disease today.

We could teach men who love men that they are MEN.

And that they can and should behave accordingly.

With dignity, honor, decency, and strength.

Sam's peers did not teach him those things.

They taught him instead that he was a pseudo-woman, a bitch, whose lot in life was to be raped repeatedly by men who mock God.

When he rebelled, they threw him out of their meeting place and fleshpot, and, shunned by the only community he knew, he killed himself.

That's tragic. Our

response should be to continue the work of this site and of The Man2ManAlliance so that we can offer men like Sam a true and viable alternative:

That's why I want those Regional Chapters to get going.

Young people in particular, people like Sam, need peer support for their choices.

It's important for everyone.

Stop dithering guys.

Start DONATING.

Start doing.

SAVE YOUR LIFE.

jedi

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-26-2005

yes bill and all the other warriors

real love is LIGHT and not darkness...

each of us warriors is a son of light...

engaged in a war...

witch the dark side (bfd) has forced upon us...

we are like single light beams ...

in an endless dark space...

looking to find each other...

and to concentrate and focus on...

THE LIBERATION OF REAL GODLY WARRIOR LOVE

the more light beams will come together ...

the brighter the spot will be...

and then one day...

the awsome will happen...

the concentration of the light beams will be so high...

that the spot will become a dynamic of itself...

it will receive the SPARK OF LIVE

and a new SUN will be born...

exploding into life...

burning the darkness and its followers away...

A NEW SUN WILL BE BORN

A NEW AGE WILL BE BORN

AND IT WILL BE THE AGE OF WARRIORS

HEHE ;)

SO FAR FROM JEDI FOR OUR SPIRITUAL FEEDBACK :)

however

let me say some words to the last post posted to the rape culture topic and a possible explanation why so much guys fall prey to the B.F.D an its

A.P.E culture.

The first problem each gay person encounters in its personal developement is the one that it is born into a homphobic world that wants to make us believe that there is something wrong with us and our sexual orientation...

(christianity/judaizm/islam)

these religiones are not WARRIOR CULTURE FRIENDLY just as the B.F.D on the other side.

our war(is in my view is waging on two fronts)

namely against those religiones and the B.F.D.

In my next posts i will try to enlighten the unholy alliance between this two forces.

however...

we are born into a homophobic world...

So man and women are are teached to HATE themselves if they realize SEXUAL SAMESEX FEELINGS in themselves...

especially men loose touch with themselves and the inner warrior(the true self).

but still the have sexual desires and pushing from inside ...

in order to break free...

from this ordeal...

sooner or later they find theyre way into the b.f.d.

where they can translate theyre inner SELF HATE

into action...

namely by engaging into SEX OF HATE

namely RAPE=ANAL SEX

here they find of course sexual relief...

but of course not REAL PURE love...

but...

FALSE LOVE...

a love they are confusing with real love...

so in a way...

the traditional religones cause the self hate...

and the B.F.D. is deepening the selfhate

by encouraging the people to live out their SELF HATE...

and to destroy ones self

it's an endless spiral down...

WE WARRIORS ARE THE ONES

THAT HAVE WITHSTAND THIS SPIRAL DOWN

WE HAVE TAKEN ISOLATION AND SUFFERING ON US

AND WE ARE NOT LETTING TO FOOL US

NOT BY THE RELIGIONES WICH ARE NOT OURS

AND NOT BY THE SLUTS B.F.D.

WE LOVE BEEING THAT WHAT WE ARE

WE ARE PROUD TO LOVE MEN AS MEN

AND WE HAVE DEEP SPIRITUAL RESPECT

FOR OUR MALE SEX

SO WE WILL NEVER ENGAGE INTO RAPE.

AND WE ARE HERE ON THIS WORLD

FOR A -----REASON------

THIS WORLD THAT IS IN THE GRIP OF THE DARK FORCE

SHOUTS OUT FOR LIGHT AND LIBERATION...

AND WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL AND POWER TO DELIVER THIS.

WARRIORS...FEEL THE LIGHT IN YOURE HEARTS

FEEL THE DEEP LOVE FOR LIFE AND EXISTENCE

BURNING IN YOURE HEARTS

FOLLOW THE CALLS OF YOURE HEARTS

AND FULLFILL YOURESELF...

jedi

Robert Loring

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-26-2005

Bill I thank you for your post. Somehow it's helped me to find some element of sense in Sam's senseless act of suicide. I don't believe suicide is an option nor should it ever be an option. But, that is my own personal thinking. I just really think there are other ways to deal with things even in dealing with the BFD and it's buttboyz other than checking out with suicide.

Jedi your posts are inspirational and make sense. I always enjoy reading what you have to say. Regarding religion and specifically Christianity, you're right, it is NOT warrior culture friendly in the form that Christianity is today. BUT, Christianity has not always been in the form it is in today. Early Christianity was NOT like our modern form of Christianity. In fact, an early Christian coming into the modern world would only vaguely recognize our present form of Christendom and being a part of the Christian MOVEMENT (and that is what Christianity began as...a MOVEMENT...not a religion). In fact, in some cases, an early Christian coming into the modern world might well even think that we modern Christians are a pack of apostates and infidels. Christianity has changed much since the inception of the official Church in the 4th Century CE.

There is an overflowing amount of warrior motif and symbolism in the New Testament. The Book of Revelation, in fact, is filled with warrior symbolism such as swords, eagles, etc. St. Paul, in his letters to Timothy and the Church, encourages both to "be good SOLDIERS (ie: Warriors) for Christ." In the Epistle of Ephesians he writes of the Armor of God and how the faithful are to put on that Armor of God. In Revelations we see a different portrayal of Jesus the Christ. In that book Christ is no longer the meek and passive lamb but becomes the mighty sword wielding WARRIOR upon a horse with an angelic ARMY behind him and under his command. Early Christians saw themselves as WARRIORS not as passive lambs as some in the world would have us believe.

Early Christianity WAS Warrior culture friendly, however, modern Christianity is not just as you point out. Within modern Christianity there is a growing movement to return to early Christian roots. That movement is slowly gaining momentum. However, to truly return to it's roots Christianity and it's adherents will also have to return to being Warrior culture friendly just as Christianity was in it's beginnings.

We do, in fact, fight a battle at present on two fronts. One against the BFD and the other against religions that tell us same sex attraction is wrong and "sinful." However, most if not all of our religions have badly gone astray and have even become lost in their own apostasy. In terms of Christianity there are plenty of examples of men in the Bible who were frot brothers. Namely, the example of King David and Jonathan. It is clear that they were frot buds for many years of their lives. It is clear that they loved one another deeply. Yet, instead of being damned and judged to the realms of Hell, God blessed them both! David went on, after Jonathan's death, to become the greatest King in world history. Both of these men were WARRIORS. Further, Jesus the Christ had plenty of opportunity to condemn and teach against frot BUT the fact is He DIDN'T! In the story of the Centurion who came to Jesus and asked him to make his "slave" well the original Greek term translated as "slave" really translates to "lover" and specifically "male lover." Jesus healed the slave/male lover of the Centurion. Jesus had the perfect example in this story to teach against same sex attraction as being wrong and sinful. BUT, Jesus did NOT take that opportunity to teach that same sex attraction was wrong or sinful!! Instead, Jesus blessed the Centurion and healed his male lover!! That act alone speaks volumes about same sex relationships!!

Sir Robert

jedi

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-27-2005

Hello warrior

Excellent words Sir Robet...the b.f.d. is a cult of DEATH.

And its our task to kick it this demonic cult back into the infinite darkness where it came from.

(hmm? :) i guess i use my boots with the steel caps , hehe )

However...

Lots of warriors on this sides will come from various religious backgrounds some will have monotheistic(one god system) backgrounds like christians ... jews...or muslims,some will have polytheistic(more gods system) backgrounds like hindus or pagans...some will be free spiritualists and some again atheists and so on...

However what is important to know is that everybody CAN be part of the warrior movement...because

WHATEVER RELIGOUS BACKGROUND WE HAVE

WHATEVER RACE WE ARE

WHATEVER LANGUAGE WE SPEAK

We all are descendants from one planet..

and that is OUR planet EARTH.

Put for one moment the heavens of god /the shangri las/the eternal hunting grounds and so on beside and focus for one moment on our wonderfull blue planet in space that is our home...

here is where we come from here is where we are all BORN.

Here is the place where we aim to establish the warrior spirit wich will us lead over the borders of our planet into space and beyond...

Seems to be high fetched at the moment to present such a picture of the warrior movement and where its possibly going to lead to...

but never underestimate the power a big goal can have on each of his followers.

We aim to establish a new age THE AGE OF WARRIORS...

For this we need a clear spiritual vision that gives sense and power to our goals... and that will lead us step by step to the fullfillment of something we feel we are born to fight for.

Today humankind is on the step where it is ready to leave this planet and start colonizing or invading other planets in our planetary system(at least)

so many would agree right now...

but i think the truth is different

since a longer time we are actually able to leave the boundarys of our planet and since a longer time we have been actually able to reach other planets with human crews but what happens is

NOTHING...

The earth with its problems of overpopulation

pollution of the enviroment

cutural decay

predatory capitalism

rich/poor division

disease

and many more

is like a apple that started to foul...

BECAUSE WE DONT EXPAND INTO OUR PLANETARY SYSTEM AND LATER BEYOND

We dont expand because we dont have a clear spiritual vision thats leads us to this...

and we warriors are here to deliver this vision.

We will stop the fouling of the apple and bring in our masculine aggressive energy and ability of BINDING LOVE to save the planet.

Sounds again a bit high fetched but guys ...on the beginning of everything there was a vision.

AND WE HAVE IT and more then that...

we have the energy flowing in us to bring this vision into reality...

You dont believe it

well feel it ;)

you are the choosen one...we are the choosen ones.

Still a hyper big way to go ...i know...

so lets come down to current sucking reality.

As i said we are here on this planet

TO ESTABLISH THE AGE OF WARRIORS

In order to be able to this we have to focus our spiritual energy on that.......

and understand what drives a warrior and how he finds fullfillment.

Well the easiest way ti understand the drive to fullfillment is the SEXUAL...

because we all know how and (slowly)why to do the SEX in a RIGHT WAY.

We simply follow our natural love energy inside.

SECOND...

we have to converge the basics of our beliefs and spiritual ways

that is...

1.spiritual fixpoint(god/goddes) is our planet earth

2. as we are a life cult/religion and not a death cult our spiritual life focuses on the here and now(living time)...and not on life after death(death time).

3.nobody is born with a original sin...we are all born INNOCENT and our task is to carry this innocence with proud and to protect it from everybody that want to manipulate(penetrate) any weakness or sins into us.

4.death is a part of life and not the other way round and when our time comes we have to face it with the heroic power of an warrior and fight till the last blood drop, and not giving in like a weak fearfull nothing...only so we will be granted to incarnate again having the chance to live again a warrior life in all his fierce and beauty.

5.there are no sins to be confessed/transported to any spiritual figure...the only sin is to betray or give up the innocence in us and with it youreself...

whatever we experience in life ...it is integral part of us and makes up that what we are, it makes up ourself,it makes up our innocence in whole...

giving up any part of it means givin up our innocence that makes us spiritualy free and independent.

6.psychotherapy is modern crap...go and get a course in karateka or another martial art...

7.protect youre innocence and the innocence of youre fellow warriors and loved ones.

8.here and now we live...so live youre life with pride and strength...dont let you fool by the demonic cults of death...youre life is holy /youre existence is holy/youre love is holy...join the warriors and EMPOWER THE MOVEMENT OF LIFE

...

well i leave it up to you guys to add more to this lines thaty could be summed up in a holy

warrior book of statements that lead us the way.

JEDI

Greg Milliken

11-28-2005

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-28-2005

Jedi,

Great post. Maybe I'm missing a metaphor here, but I wanted to point out a few things:

Jedi wrote:

1.spiritual fixpoint(god/goddes) is our planet earth

Our spiritual fixpoint is our planet, but our God, gods, goddess, goddesses, or any combination of the above are not the spiritual fixpoint. Our brothers who share this planet are the fixpoint. The stronger we get, the stronger each of our brothers becomes, and vice versa. There is a direct relationship between each and every one of our brothers in love and community. The many deities we believe in allow each of us to be unique, however, our common brotherhood unites us despite our differences.

Jedi wrote:

2. as we are a life cult/religion and not a death cult our spiritual life focuses on the here and now(living time)...and not on life after death(death time).

I think you have the right idea again, but the words "cult" and "religion" don't really describe us very well. A cult is defined as a FALSE religion, and we are certainly not FALSE on any point. That is more the way of the Cult of Anal Penetration, which spreads the FALSE belief that anal penetration is GOOD, when it is in fact very very BAD.

Religion describes the belief in a supernatural power, however, each and every one of us is capable of experiencing and enjoying frot, fidelity, heroic love, masculinity, and the warrior ethos. There isn't much supernatural about any of it, unless you are an analist who is incapable of experiencing any of the above.

Jedi wrote:

3.nobody is born with a original sin...we are all born INNOCENT and our task is to carry this innocence with proud and to protect it from everybody that want to manipulate(penetrate) any weakness or sins into us.

I would add to this that forgiveness of sin is also an important part of the frot movement. There are those of us who have been indoctrinated into the BFD and escaped. We should be as accepting of them as they have been of this movement. Certainly we shouldn't take in analists that still practice analism, that would go against our values. But those who have truly escaped should be accepted as brothers.

I think the rest of the list represent some very good ideals. Thank you for your great post, and keep on fighting the good fight.

Greg Milliken

Robert Loring

Re: RAPE CULTURE

11-29-2005

Greg wrote: "I would add to this that forgiveness of sin is also an important part of the frot movement. There are those of us who have been indoctrinated into the BFD and escaped. We should be as accepting of them as they have been of this movement. Certainly we shouldn't take in analists that still practice analism, that would go against our values. But those who have truly escaped should be accepted as brothers."

This is yet another part of the Warrior BROTHERHOOD. We must welcome our brothers who have escaped from the clutches of darkness. If we do not then they will have nowhere to go except back into the darkness and oppression of the BFD.

And, here is something else to be considered. We must LOVE our brothers. The Warrior who accepts a brother and who loves a brother is the pinnacle of true Nobleness and Warriorship.

Sir Robert

jedi

Re: RAPE CULTURE

12-01-2005

hello

warriors

yes greg ,our spiritual fixpoint is our beloved homeplanet EARTH

from here humanity will find its step into outer space ,here will we cross borders and expand in new worlds and territory.

like many warrior cultures before in history...

look alexander/dzhingis kahn/atilla/the romans and the greeks and many more...

just in our case...we work on it to bring this into life on a higher level.

we will not expand as romans

we will not expand as huns

we will not expand as persian

but as men from earth...

the greeks worshipped the greek gods

the persians the persian gods

but what they actually did with this was that they were worshipping or paying respect to their ancestors...

they worshipped THEIR BLOODLINE in an endless various mystic stories from the past.

later when the monotheistic religiones had their rising ...they destroyed the old gods (BLOODLINES)

to incoparate different people and races with different languages into ONE unit or into a system to be able to better control society and folks.

the slogan was ONE GOD FOR ALL

namely one BLOODLINE for all.

of course it was clear the conception of one bloodline was not be able to be presented in material means...

so the material bloodline was was turned into a spiritual bloodline...

A SPIRITUAL BLOODLINE FROM WHO WE ALL DESCENT.

however

there have been few folks that that used this religious conception to gain control and power over the rest.

greeks/arabs/west romans/jewish from history

so we have more one god systems today.

however what i want to point out with this that we need a turn back to the material bloodline/to the here and now/to the material and real world/to the light... but on a higher level...

and as we all are descendants from earth so the earth is our NEW/OLD MATERIAL BLOODLINE. no more a specific race or folks.

but the EARTH of the human race of men.

we will be all brothers and sisters but no more under the dictate of IMAGINATION (MONOTHEISTIC GOD) but of something very real and existing...

OUR PLANET EARTH.

so we will have a return from a fantasy religion to something very real existing.

by trying to explain this i think it is now clearer why i set our planet as spiritual fixpoint(god/goddes)...

other posts soon to follow...........

jedi

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