Bill Weintraub

Re: Rush, the Attack, & etc.

6-3-2006

Thank you Robert.

Yet another forceful and very eloquent essay from Robert Loring.

To me what's important to understand is that there's a relationship between feminism and feminizing influences in the general culture, to which Robert has rightly and very cogently been directing our attention, and effeminism and analism among gay men.

Because clearly if Masculinity is bad and the root of all evil in the world, then anything which de-masculinizes and effeminizes the male is valuable and to be encouraged.

Including anal penetration.

Robert brings up his co-worker who believes he has an "inner woman."

Someone has taught him that "real" men, masculine men, are men who are "in touch" with...GET THIS...."the WOMAN INSIDE OF THEM!"?????? The first time he talked about the "woman inside every man" I busted up laughing! Sorry but I DON'T believe that GARBAGE!

He thinks male aggression is "wrong" and that males should learn to win over their aggression and not be aggressive at all. Males who are aggressive are "killers and rapists" so the kid says!

This is a common theme among feminized males today.

For example, a few weeks ago we got in a post titled "issues with violence," whose gay-identified author, JK, had told us in a previous post that he'd spent years being a "weak fag" and "hole" for an abusive top.

In this second post, in criticizing what he terms "violence" on our site, JK said:

Most the guys I work with talk like they are brutal and killers who would castrate any guy who fucked with them, I know its just shit talk but it is still disturbing. ... I do not want to be a hard ass jerk who oppresses or puts down the gentle people of the world.

So JK associates men who are willing to defend themselves with "hard ass jerks who oppress or put down the gentle people of the world."

And we all know who the gentle people are: women and effeminate gay men.

Once again, guys who dare say they'll defend themselves take it on the chin.

But I have to wonder if the men at JK's workplace who talk about defending themselves -- have EVER done anything as TERRIBLE as FUCK ANOTHER MAN IN THE ASS.

Because this is common theme in analist culture:

Straight guys -- and by implication, as Robert has pointed out, straight-acting gay guys -- are bad.

But, to me, to be bad, you have to DO something bad.

The guys at JK's workplace aren't doing anything other than talking tough, pulling down a paycheck, and presumably having sex with their wives and girlfriends -- and probably with some other guys too.

But a LOT of gay men are out there infecting each other with HIV and other pathogens.

Murdering each other, as Larry Kramer says.

You see the problem.

The so-called bad guys aren't doing anything bad.

But the people JK claims are oppressed -- the effeminate denizens of gay culture -- are actually doing something deadly.

There's a huge disconnect there between theory and reality.

Again: Straight-identified guys aka masculine men are viewed as the oppressor -- we're told they oppress women, gays, minorities, people in other countries, etc.

I agree: oppression is bad.

If people are oppressive, they should be made to stop.

For example, any time guys make homophobic comments, they should be called on them.

As should feminists and other effeminizers who denigrate masculinity.

As should analists who use pressure and coercion to force males to do anal.

Are they?

NO.

JK's boyfriend has been fucking him in the ass.

That's genuinely oppressive.

Yet gay culture supports him in oppressing JK.

And supports JK in being his victim.

Again, there's something really wrong there.

Now, what about this idea of an "inner woman?"

Do feminized males, or men in general, as Robert's coworker asserts, have an "inner woman?"

The idea is certainly more and more common.

Recently, for example, one of our guys referred to his ex-lover as having had "an inner bitch."

That's an amusing turn of phrase, but the fact is that men do NOT have an inner bitch.

Nor do they have an inner woman.

What men do have, however, as Robert has said, is an inner warrior and a warrior within.

How can I be so certain that men -- ALL MEN -- have a warrior within?

Because aggression and the ability to bond with and soldier with other men are part of the biology and sociobiology of being male.

They are universal male traits -- found in men EVERYWHERE.

And again, they are a function of MALE BIOLOGY.

Men are by NATURE aggressive.

And men form warrior bonds NATURALLY.

And UNIVERSALLY.

Has to be that way.

If you have two tribes -- one consisting of feminized males who don't fight and don't bond -- and the other consisting of aggressive MASCULINE MEN who do fight and bond --

obviously, the aggressive fighting men of the second tribe will wipe out the men of the first tribe, take their resources, and, of course, impregnate their women.

So being a warrior, and not just a lone wolf, but a WARRIOR WHO BONDS AND WORKS WITH OTHER WARRIORS, has huge survival value, and it's a trait which is perpetuated genetically.

Of course culture shapes some warrior behaviors -- sword or gun, karate or jiu jitsu -- but the basic, root behaviors are biologically mandated.

And in that sense we can say with certainty that ALL MEN have a WARRIOR WITHIN.

That's why warriors, heroes, and tales of such -- whether in the form of myth or movies or comic books about superheroes -- are so powerful for guys.

That's why guys are so attuned to wrestling and fighting.

Because of the WARRIOR WITHIN.

What about an "inner woman?"

NO.

Men are men.

Men can be nurturing, men can be intuitive.

Those are not uniquely feminine traits.

But there is no "inner woman," because male biology is MALE.

What about an "inner bitch?"

NO.

Bitchiness is not a function of biology.

It's a function of culture.

It's a learned behavior, and is one of the attributes of effeminacy.

Which again, is LEARNED.

Which is why a feminized male can be DE-FEMINIZED.

Because what's learned can be un-learned.

And because within that male, as within every male, is a WARRIOR.

So when Robert says to feminized males:

Don't be afraid! Come forth!! YOU are among BROTHERS not enemies!

He's correct.

All MEN are, potentially, BROTHERS.

Because all MEN are, potentially, WARRIORS.

Once again, Men are Warriors by NATURE.

AGGRESSION is part of the biology of being male, just as male bonding through aggression is part of the sociobiology of being male.

Notice that I said "male bonding through aggression.

Here's what Naked Wrestler says about that in the context of a fight school:

Fighting is really about mutual respect for the other man as well as an attempt to dominate each other. So logically if you're out to hurt the other man's manhood you've lost respect for him. It is a sport after all.

Men should not really hurt each other's balls in the fight sports or there would be a breakdown of the male bonding process. Men in the group need each other as much as they need to compete with each other. So if they damage or destroy each other's manhood then the system will break down, and they can't accomplish anything as a group -- such as hunting down a beast for meat, or plowing up a field for crops, or fighting off the enemy.

"Men in the group need each other as much as they need to compete with each other."

That again is a function not of culture, but of BIOLOGY.

Men are aggressive, men bond.

And that bonding, even if it's not overtly sexual, has a sexual element.

Because in the male, sex and aggression are united through the medium of testosterone.

Testosterone of course is produced in the testicles.

The balls.

Our sex drive, our secondary sexual characteristics, our manhood -- all derive directly from our balls.

As does our will to fight.

That's why we say of a brave man, a gutsy man, that he has balls.

Heart.

Male virtue.

Vir -- Virilis -- Virtus

Man -- Manliness -- Manly Virtue

Male virtue, male sexuality, male aggression -- all originate in our balls.

As does male bonding.

They are functions of biology.

That's why all men are warriors.

But not all men are bitches.

Only a relatively few men are bitches.

That's because bitchiness has nothing to do with biology.

Bitchiness is cultural.

It's a learned behavior, found most of the time in gay-identified men, men who've bought into the culturally-sanctioned lie that men who have sex with men aren't real men, but a sort of pseudo-woman.

Believing themselves to be less-than-men, they take on effeminate characteristics, behaviors which parody femininity without partaking of it.

That parodic behavior is effeminacy.

Which most of the time is simply mean and bitchy.

The point is that every male, no matter how effeminized, still has a warrior within.

But the bitch is always without.

Bitchiness is a learned, cultural, behavior.

Aggression is INNATE.

Of course, male aggression must be shaped by culture.

The boy must learn how to be a man.

He must have male role models and teachers who show him how to use his aggression responsibly and honorably.

But the aggression itself is core to being male.

Robert:

In ancient times when a boy reached the age of puberty he was taken away from the women folk and put in with the warriors of the tribe or society so that he could learn how to be a MASCULINE MAN and WARRIOR.

Right.

And sometimes before puberty.

The Spartans put their sons in what they called the "herd of the young bull calves" at age seven.

And they were trained, under the eye of older men, as warriors henceforward.

That no longer happens in our modern society. Young men are learning how NOT to be a masculine man today! They are learning how to be feminized THINGS that are neither male or female completely. These kids are ALREADY defeated within themselves by the time they graduate high school. Masculinity and manliness are viewed by them as their enemy! They stand against there own nature! They are defeated and psychospiritual already dead! Let us not forget that these kids are the future. It's frightening to think what kind of society they are going to create when their own generation starts running things! I'm sure that the male who is naturally masculine and males who share the natural brotherhood that should exist between men will be targeted and eliminated.

Yes, except we won't let that happen.

When I was in my late teens and early twenties, I tried, like many gay-identified men of my generation, to turn myself into a heterosexual.

Didn't work.

Instead, it started killing me spiritually.

And when it was clear to me that I had to choose between being spiritually dead but sleeping with women; or being spiritually alive and sleeping with guys -- I chose the latter.

Masculinity is not something incidental to a man.

It's fundamental.

It's literally in his balls.

And you cannot deprive a man of his masculinity without, over time, killing him.

When enough men understand that in their quest for the chimerical inner woman they are destroying the REAL MAN -- they'll rebel.

And we and those other men who've kept ALIVE the warrior ethos -- the way of the warrior -- will be here to help them.

That's one reason more that it's so important to continue this work.

Now -- Robert said

I read a piece concerning HIV/AIDS and how the numbers of cases are increasing drastically again because gay males are having unprotected sex with many partners. Has nothing been learned? Promiscuity is now rampant again in the gay male population as apparently many gay males have numbed themselves to the fear of HIV/AIDS. They are ignoring the AIDS education and warnings again. Sadly, I see more needless death on the horizon.

What a lost and fucked up society we are living in! Masculine males are being attacked from every corridor. Feminized males are now considered "real men". HIV/AIDS is on the verge of yet another epidemic. When will the human race ever learn? When will human beings RETURN to COMMON SENSE and SELF PRIDE? Are we so miserable that we sign our own death warrants? Is our self hatred so intense that we secretly welcome death in any form as "relief"?

Well, there's no question that HIV and effeminization go together.

And that the health of gay men plummeted when gay men embraced anal.

Are we so miserable that we sign our own death warrants? Is our self hatred so intense that we secretly welcome death in any form as "relief"?

In my view, anal penetration and effeminization are the cause of the self-destructive behaviors so common among feminized gay males.

You cannot remain psychologically healthy -- when your "sex" life centers on your shit hole.

Nor can you remain spiritually whole when you deny your Masculinity.

Yet, of course, there are cultural forces which support and encourage feminized males to do anal, to be promiscuous -- and thus to die.

I'll have more to say about this in a separate post, I hope later today, looking at news articles which appeared over the last couple days.

Robert:

I think it important that we realize that before anything else WE ARE MEN. Everything else including labels are SECONDARY to the FACT that we are MEN! And not only are we men but we are MASCULINE MEN.

Right.

Everything flows from our Masculinity.

Our love of FROT;

our rejection of anal;

our rejection of promiscuity.

We choose to embrace and strengthen our innate masculinity.

We choose HONOR.

Just as did the Greeks and countless millions of WARRIORS before us.

We remain true to the Warrior Way.

For the Way of the WARRIOR is the Way of SALVATION.

Thank you Robert.

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gearheadfl

Re: Rush, the Attack, & etc.

6-7-2006

Ok so mabey I was overreacting when talking about my coworkers. The truth is that all of the guys I work with are great and super suportive when it counts. Thats why it's hard for me to understand the layer of agression that is over their true loving nature that I see. Its seems like such an act to me, and I don't know how to put on such a show of competiveness. Perhaps I sohould try harder but i never felt the need to interact this way and don't think I should have to fake it. As for the fighting I don't know why I'm so afraid of it. I have mad INK and peircings so I can handle pain. Hell I used to ride inline skates down rails and stairs with no fear. I think the pain of humiliation is the worst for me. Sore winners get to me for some reason. You put all of the blame on socioty for regecting masculinity but I dont see that. I've always lived in the south and it's quite the opposite. I love masculine men and am loving myself more and more as I develope that side of me but I've done it mostly allone. Perhaps some of the responsibility needs to go to the masculine men to teach and guide the rest of us instead of humiliating and disrespecting. I think we can be modern and masculine. Very few people would want to return to pre-industrial living conditions, and even fewer would want to leave our mostly peacefull way of life. And I certanly don't want to limit my entertainment and intulectual interest based on what someone else deems aproprite for my sex. No i don't think I have an inner woman but I am a sensitivve guy, Is that so wrong?

gearheadfl

Bill Weintraub

Re: Rush, the Attack, & etc.

6-7-2006

JK, I have had it with your effeminized bullshit showing up in my inbox.

You do two things which are beyond irritating.

1. You make straw man arguments, attributing to us things we have NEVER said; and

2. You totally ignore what's going on in your own culture, the culture you claim to defend.

That's bullshit and I've had it with you.

I'd like to help you, but I can't help you when you pull this sort of shit over and over again.

For instance, in your "issues with violence" post, you said,

I don't want to mame kill mutalate anyone.

That's a straw man argument.

Where on this site or in my work or in the Frot Movement have you seen any reference to "maiming, killing, or mutilating?"

NOWHERE.

Where does the maiming, killing and mutilating in MSM life actually take place?

AMONG THE BUTTBOYS.

YOUR HEAD-UP-THEIR-ASSHOLES BUDDIES.

Every time you give a guy HIV or HPV, you maim him -- for life.

Every time you penetrate his ass, you mutilate his anal sphincter and the interior of his anus and rectum.

Every time you fuck him, it hurts -- that's "torture," another one of your words.

Larry Kramer has written about "murderous behavior" among your buddies.

That's KILLING.

And it's among the shitfairies -- NOT US.

What about FISTING?

What about S & M, Bondage and Discipline, and all that other effeminized male CRAP?

Why don't you ever mention that?

Do you ever write to the webmasters of barebacking sites or bondage sites or fisting sites or just plain buttfuck sites about the maiming, killing, mutilating and torture?

NO.

NO.

NO.

Here's another example:

Perhaps some of the responsibility needs to go to the masculine men to teach and guide the rest of us instead of humiliating and disrespecting.

WHO is "humiliating and disrespecting?"

You just said that "all of the [straight-identified] guys I work with are great and super suportive when it counts."

Aren't they teaching and guiding you then?

You said so in your "how my job saved me" post -- and guys, I apologize for not posting that yet, but there are only so many hours in the day.

Here's what JK said:

Fortunately after the tech crash of 2000 my computer programming career didn't take off as planed so I made a bold choice and became an auto technician. I new I had the brains for it and hell I can more tattoos and no one will care right. If was a tough transition going from art flake and party boy to be a mechanic but it was way worth it. At first it was as intimidating as hell to work with all of these self assured jocks, but in the end they have accepted me and are friendly in ways I never thought possible. They all know I live with a guy and no one cares. They even invite us to gatherings and such. I think having this job made so many things more possible to me. While I'm not going to run out and join the military, I know if the cause was just, and I would be needed that I could fight and survive harsh conditions. I know I can't go back and participate in the things I opted out of, But in the future I will keep more of an open mind toward physical competition. Mabey just because my agressive energy isn't loud doesn't meen that it is non existant.

So WHO is "humiliating and disrespecting?"

NOT US -- and not apparently your co-workers.

They sound great.

Plus, I said -- in this very message thread -- that if a straight guy says something homophobic, you call him on it.

Not a big deal.

But let's talk about humiliation and disrespect:

ANAL is HUMILIATION.

ANAL DISRESPECTS YOUR MANHOOD.

And then you DIE.

Also in this very message thread, I asked this question: "Have the men at JK's workplace who talk about defending themselves -- EVER done anything as TERRIBLE as FUCK ANOTHER MAN IN THE ASS?"

How bout an answer JK?

Let's talk violence for a moment.

Between 1982 and 1995, about 500,000 Americans died of HIV.

That averages out to 38,462 per year.

THIRTY-EIGHT THOUSAND per year.

They died horrible miserable gruesome deaths.

Most of them were infected through ANAL.

BUTTFUCKING.

The violent, brutal, and pleasureless penetration of a man's anus and rectum.

By contrast, according to the anti-hate crime site AVP dot org, in 2005 there are exactly 11 murders of LGBT people in the US.

And of course some of the murderers were LGBT themselves.

Do you get it?

The gay community has been far more violent towards towards other gay men -- than the straight community.

That's by a factor of 35.

Here's the link to more of that Hate Crimes Report.

By the way, there were less than 2000 incidents of anti-LGBT violence reported in 2005.

By contrast, each and every year 20,000 gay and bi men get infected with HIV and HPV via anal.

And that's the low figure.

Some people think it's 30,000 or more.

Let me just add that I started doing anti-violence work in 1979 and I understand violence.

There should be no murders and no incidents.

But there should be NO ANAL too.

Anal is incredibly violent -- each and every time.

Each episode of anal tears and damages the anus and rectum.

Each episode.

Next piece of JK bullshit:

Very few people would want to return to pre-industrial living conditions

Where on this site does anyone talk about that?

WHERE?

To the contrary, Warrior Jedi has suggested, as have I, that the Warrior's future is in outer space.

Jedi's post is on this board, it's titled "ONE PLANET/ONE RACE!"

My stories are Cockrub Warriors of Mars and Antagony.

Next:

and even fewer would want to leave our mostly peacefull way of life.

Who said we had to give up our so-called peaceful way of life?

WHO?

No one here.

To the contrary:

Sensei Patrick: "Peace should be the way of the warrior, for he bears the cost of war."

NO TRUE WARRIOR wants to go to war or destroy peace.

On the other hand, it hasn't been so peaceful lately, with 3000 innocent Americans killed on 9/11.

With Nick Berg's head cut off -- for no reason.

Maybe, just maybe, we need to be able to defend ourselves.

Does that ever occur to you?

Do you lock your doors at night?

Do you take your key out of the ignition when you get out of your car?

Sure you do.

Because there are thieves and murderers in your town.

Just like there are thieves and murderers in the big wide world.

Warriors -- soldiers -- are the people who are keeping you safe.

Not the buttboys.

FIGHTERS keep you safe.

The people you claim not to understand, who are so oppressive, etc.

They're defending you with their lives.

What are you doing for them?

Next:

And I certanly don't want to limit my entertainment and intulectual interest based on what someone else deems aproprite for my sex.

Uh-huh.

But "being determines consciousness."

It does matter what you allow to influence you culturally.

And that's why I've told our guys, for example, to stop watching porn and start watching fights.

Do that JK.

Start watching boxing once a week.

Usually Univision has decent bouts.

Try imagining yourself as one of the boxers.

I'm serious.

You said, "I love masculine men and am loving myself more and more as I develope that side of me but I've done it mostly allone."

If you want to develop the masculine part of your nature, which is INTRINSIC to you as a MAN, you need to put some effort into it.

That means you may need to change the cultural influences on your life.

Because if those influences are feminizing -- they're working against you.

Next:

No i don't think I have an inner woman but I am a sensitivve guy, Is that so wrong?

More straw man bullshit.

No one said it's wrong to be sensitive.

JK, that is pure and utter crap, and I don't ever want to see it again.

If there's something on the site which bothers you, WRITE IT DOWN, WRITE DOWN THE URL of the webpage, and send it to me.

DON'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP.

BECAUSE I WILL NOT POST YOU AGAIN.

Now, JK, you have big issues with fighting, and you need to overcome them.

First of all, you need to get clear about MEN and AGGRESSION:

all of the guys I work with are great and super suportive when it counts. Thats why it's hard for me to understand the layer of agression that is over their true loving nature that I see. Its seems like such an act to me.

IT'S NOT AN ACT.

AGGRESSION IS PART OF BEING A MAN.

What you want to do to those guys is de-ball them.

And then what have you got?

Do you remember telling us that it was "an effeminate friend" who got you into doing anal?

Have you forgotten that piece of your history?

Anal is DEADLY.

Effeminacy is DEADLY.

It was your EFFEMINATE friend who got you into ANAL.

Here's the reality that you're missing:

MEN -- true MASCULINE MEN -- can be both LOVING and AGGRESSIVE.

YES.

And you yourself said so.

The two aspects are not mutually exclusive.

JK, your thinking about this is feminized and frankly fucked-up.

Virtually ALL MEN are both LOVING and AGGRESSIVE.

The AGGRESSION that you see in your co-workers is INTRINSIC to them as MEN -- as it is to you.

You need to start learning from their aggression.

As for the fighting I don't know why I'm so afraid of it.

You're afraid of it because you think you're a fag and you think that fags can't fight.

You're not a fag.

You're a MAN.

YOU CAN FIGHT.

You need to go to a martial arts school and learn how to fight.

And you need to do that right away.

Because you said two things in your "issues with violence" post which really concern me:

I like the idea of learning to fight but i find the idea of combat terifing.

That's why you need to learn to fight.

Attackers can read that you're terrified of combat.

That makes you an easy mark.

Sooner or later, you're gonna get beat up -- or worse.

And there's another cost.

Here's the truth: it's much more difficult to remain passive in a physical situtation than it is to fight.

It destroys you emotionally and psychically.

Old saying:

"A brave man dies but once; a coward dies a thousand times."

Even if i was attacked I would not want to cruely torture or disfigure my attacker so as long as I could fend them off.

Again, no one here's talking about torture.

That's in the analist repertoire -- not ours.

However, if you're attacked JK, you'd better be prepared to disfigure and otherwise fight off your attacker.

If not, you'll be the one who's tortured and disfigured.

You cannot "sort of" be in a fight.

JK, what are you going to do?

If someone hits you in the face, not hit him back for fear of damaging his delicate features?

You'll get badly beaten and possibly killed.

If someone attacks you, you need to fight him with all your might.

You have to assume that he's trying to kill you -- which he very well may be -- and you have to try to kill him.

And the time to understand that is NOW.

Before you suffer death or disfigurement at the hands of a basher.

Again, a killer / mugger / basher is not the same as a street fighter -- another one of your bete-noires and bogey-men.

Unless you go around provoking other guys by trying to steal their women or their cars, you're unlikely to be involved in a street fight.

But you could be, no matter how innocent you are, targeted by a gay-basher or any other criminal.

Is a gay-basher likely to be a street fighter too?

NO.

Gay-bashers are cowards.

They work in groups, and they're not interested in a fair fight.

This is a typical bashing, caught on surveillance tape:

These are two teenagers attacking a defenceless victim -- a homeless man -- with baseball bats.

Favorite basher weapon.

JK -- that's not a street fight.

It's a bashing.

Could you be taught sufficient martial arts / self-defense skills to survive such an attack?

YES!

You can be taught to get the bat away from the lead (preferably) attacker.

As soon as you do that, the other kid will take off.

He's not interested in a fair fight.

But if in getting that bat away from the first kid, you happen to gouge his eye or bloody his nose or tear his ear or break his kneecap or harm his tender little testicles -- are you going to worry about it?

You'd better not.

These two kids killed one man and badly injured two others before they were caught.

That's reality.

That's why the guys you work with will talk about "ripping off a guy's balls."

It's to make other men fearful of attacking them.

JK, if those two kids thought you'd rip their balls off if you got the chance -- they'd never attack you.

They're looking for victims -- people who will not fight back.

JK -- that's enough on this stuff.

I could spend literally days going all through your bullshit.

And it is bullshit.

STOP IT.

You need to learn to fight.

You need to experience male aggression and learn that you can handle it and GIVE IT BACK.

You need to do that now.

You also need, as Oscar told you, to get your own house in order.

(Guys -- JK's original post, with Oscar's reply, is looking for insight.)

You're spending a lot of time worrying about US.

NO.

It's the man in the mirror you need to worry about.

YOU.

JK, I'm glad you're still working on these issues.

But I don't want any more bullshit from you.

Before you write about something you think is on the site -- you make sure it's on the site.

Otherwise, all it is -- is in YOUR head.

Bill Weintraub

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