Bill Weintraub

Re: MAN-PHOBIA: Fired for being into UFC

4-28-2006

WOW!!!!!

MAN-PHOBIA is right!!!!!

Thank you Naked Guy.

For those of you who don't know him, Naked Wrestler is a former collegiate wrestler who's competed in the Gay Games and is now studying UFC-style fighting and grappling.

He's the author of aggression and the beauty of guys, among other terrific pages on this site.

To understand more about UFC-style fighting, please take a look at boomer's brilliant post, Ultimate Fighter.

As it happens, the Naked Dude is the second person this week to write me about being forced from his job by a man hater.

If that's happened to you, we'd sure like to know.

Now, one of the things which is very important in the Naked guy's post is, that like Robert Loring, he's connecting the dots.

Between the effeminization in gay culture and the denigration of masculinity in the larger culture.

The Naked dude talks about "vaginized" young men; I talk about effeminization; Robert, I think, more often says feminized.

But it's all the same thing: the denigration of masculinity and the stripping of maleness from the male.

And it's CULTURALLY SUPPORTED.

Notice that at the office, his "man-hating" boss didn't hesitate to call Ultimate Fighter "disgusting" in front of the assembled staff.

Suppose this had been a show about Black people; or metrosexuals; or just gay men.

Even if she'd thought it, she'd never have said it.

In that environment, she can't risk being perceived as anti-Black or anti-gay.

BUT IT'S SAFE FOR HER TO BE ANTI-MALE.

And it's not just her.

In this office, the males themselves are anti-male:

I had to explain to one of these girly guys at work that fighting at the fight club is not about venting some anger or frustration, like he had suggested. I said that guys at the fight school are some of the best, most outgoing, and well meaning people I'd ever met. They'd be your best friend the instant a bout is over. Seriously they would.

The Naked Guy is correct.

But the vaginzied men just assume that a man who acts like a man is mentally ill -- needing to vent "some anger or frustration."

The Naked Guy observes, "Some women just hate the meat between a guy's legs so much."

But in my experience it's not just some women.

A lot of men now hate the meat between their legs.

That's what Robert's talking about.

If you continually denigrate masculinity, eventually your MANHOOD itself will come into question.

Because after all, and as the Naked Guy has observed, it's our balls which make us fight.

If masculinity is bad and fighting is bad -- what good are your balls?

Naked Wrestler's post showed up in my inbox at a time when I've been thinking about how to present issues around aggression and violence to the Alliance.

We get a fair amount of analist email criticizing us for having "violence" on the site.

Those letters are maddening because of the typical buttboy bullshit: they purposefully misread us, they confuse, they conflate, they smear -- they're disgusting.

Yet here's the reality: in the sense of acts which cause grievous bodily harm, irreparable damage, and death, there is NO violence on this site.

ALL the violence in gay male life derives directly from ANAL.

From ANALISTS.

"Men" who HATE their MANHOOD.

Yet here's the truth:

I'll speak about this at more length later.

For now I thank Naked Wrestler and all of you who've posted.

You're true Warriors and you're the reason why:

© All material Copyright 2006 by Bill Weintraub. All rights reserved.

Robert Loring

Re: MAN-PHOBIA: Fired for being into UFC

4-29-2006

NW I'm sorry to hear about your job loss at the hands of one of the man-haters. It happens a lot and it seems to be happening more and more as the man-haters, both male and female, take control in the workplace. Vaginized males are everywhere unfortunately and some of them are so self-hating that they no longer even resemble men at all. They are lackeys controlled, dominated, and destroyed by their feminists overlords and masters. They are little less than eunuchs as they are already castrated in their own souls and psyches. They brown nose and kiss the arses of their masters and that is exactly what their masters want. The feminists do NOT want equal rights. They want to pulverize males because their HATRED of males knows no boundaries! All the talk about wanting equal rights is a smoke screen and front. What they really want is SUPERIOR RIGHTS!

Had your boss made such comments to a black man she'd already be suspended from her job and on the verge of being sued by the civil rights organizations. Her mug would already be on FOX News and CNN for discriminating. But, since she ATTACKED a masculine male it's somehow ok and acceptable because the fact is our sick society has come to hate the masculine male and to love the ball-ess, man-phobics. This is yet one more example that our society is the historical and traditional EXCEPTION and NOT the norm. It is just one more example of the cesspool modern society has become, in which, the psychotic rule the day at the expense of the male who is just trying to be what he was created to be. Someday we need to start suing these man-haters and we need to start fighting back!!

I've seen all kinds of examples in the workplace of man-hating and frankly those who attack the males are obviously PREDATORS! But, they don't think of themselves as man-haters or predators because they don't see what they are doing. They have justified their psychotic hatred in their own psychotic minds. They've failed to realize that it is their insane hatred that controls them instead of them controlling the hatred. The vaginized males think that being a masculine male is a mental illness when in FACT it is the vaginized males who hate their own masculinity that are the ones suffering from MENTAL ILLENESS. Self rejection and self hatred are NOT a part of MENTAL HEALTH!!

As for myself connecting the dots, honestly, I connected the dots a long time ago as a child. I saw the degeneration of society. I have witnessed the destruction of the brotherhood of man for a long time now. I have watched the man-phobia and hatred grow and have even been the victim of that societal psychosis more than once. For along time I kept my observations silent and hidden until the day I decided to start fighting back against the psychotics who now rule over us. And, YES, they ARE psychotics! It is their own male-hatred that has driven them right into the arms of psychosis. They are obsessed with their hatred and man-hating to the point that it now rules over them.

When will the masculine male start fighting back? When will the masculine male STOP being silent and stop laying down and taking it? When will the masculine male stand up and shout that he's had enough and he's not going to take any more? When will the masculine male start being MASCULINE again? When will he begin to HONOR the WARRIOR within him instead of continuing to DISHONOR his innate inner WARRIOR? Masculine men have got to STAND UP and stop licking up the vomit that there is something wrong with them! Masculine males need to start confronting the psycho's obsessed with male hatred and start shouting back to them that there is nothing wrong with the masculine male but there IS something wrong with the man-phobics!

There come times in human history when societies true and honorable warriors must stand up and meet the battle. I propose that NOW is such a time! How much longer will masculine males continue to submit to the insanity of society? MEN ARE UNDER ATTACK! What part of that do you reading this not understand? The psychotic man-haters in the world see YOU as the ENEMY to be destroyed. When will YOU start to defend yourselves? It's never wrong for a masculine male warrior to defend himself BTW. But, it is wrong to just lay down and take all the attacks without doing anything to stop the attacks. I've said it once and I'll say it again, there are true warriors and then there are all the wannabe-warriors who want to sit in their arm chairs observing while doing nothing. The wanna-be's will get NOWHERE! The wanna-be's will eventually become the prey and victims of the man-phobics. It is, in the end, the true warriors who actually DO SOMETHING that will TRIUMPH and, in case you are wondering, when we do triumph we will NOT welcome the wanna-be's into our ranks!! We have NO use for armchair warriors.

So the question is: How long will all of you masculine males let the battle against YOU go on? How long will it be before YOU stand up and START doing something to FIGHT BACK? How long will YOU continue to submit to the man-haters and the vaginized male lackeys who force you to eat their vomit of hate? How long before YOU grab your balls and decide YOU have had ENOUGH and begin to stand up and fight back? And, how long before YOU decide to be a REAL WARRIOR instead of the pussy-boy wannabe warrior that you now are?

Bill Weintraub

Re: MAN-PHOBIA: Fired for being into UFC

4-30-2006

Thank you Robert and Naked Wrestler.

Really important posts from both of you.

Robert says: "What they really want is SUPERIOR RIGHTS!"

That's correct.

They want what they de facto have: control of the cultural apparatus.

I've watched this go down since the 1970s, when women demanded that what had been the gay community become the LESBIAN and gay community.

There was no reason, other than anti-male bigotry, to make that change.

And, it damaged the community.

I've seen all kinds of examples in the workplace of man-hating and frankly those who attack the males are obviously PREDATORS! But, they don't think of themselves as man-haters or predators because they don't see what they are doing. They have justified their psychotic hatred in their own psychotic minds. They've failed to realize that it is their insane hatred that controls them instead of them controlling the hatred.

Again, Robert's right.

From 1981 to 1984, my late lover Brett Averill edited NYC's gay paper, the NY Native, where he fought for the inclusion of women writers and reporters.

On his watch, a huge number of articles by and about women appeared.

And women were on staff: for example, a woman named Peg Byron was a lead reporter, and Marcia Pally edited the Arts section -- a very powerful and prominent job in a place like NYC.

Peg and Marcia were hired by Brett.

In the spring of 84 Brett was forced to resign over a number of issues, one of which was a long planned-for Women's Section in the paper.

Brett was for it, but the publisher was against it, and he forced Brett out.

Every prominent lesbian-feminist in NYC knew what had gone down.

Because Brett had been talking with them.

As had I.

And Brett was much praised at the time of his resignation for having fought for freedom of the press.

But four weeks later, the Village Voice ran an op-ed from a prominent lesbian accusing Brett of sexism.

That was a lie and more than a lie -- it was libel.

Anyone with access to a decent university library can see that's so simply by looking at NY Native issues 1 through 90, and counting the number of women writers -- and the quality of articles they were engaged to write.

Dorothy Allison, Barbara Kerr, Andrea Dworkin, Karla Jay, Lisa Lyon, Marcia Pally, Amber Hollibaugh, Peg Byron, Deirdre Busenberg, Marie Godwin, Ano Simo, Cindy Patton, Jewelle Gomez, Tish Dace -- to name some.

Nevertheless, the damage to Brett's reputation had been done.

Fact: had Brett been a woman and had the same record of publishing women, he would have been a feminist hero.

He was condemned on the basis of his sex -- specifically, on having a penis -- and on that alone.

Nor did any of the women he'd published come to his defense.

Robert: "They have justified their psychotic hatred in their own psychotic minds. They've failed to realize that it is their insane hatred that controls them instead of them controlling the hatred."

That's correct.

Attacking Brett, who had been an ardent champion of the inclusion of women, in the pages of America's leading left-wing journal, the Village Voice, was INSANE.

It hurt Brett without in any way helping women.

There was no reason to do it other than BIGOTRY and unreasoning HATE.

And a desire for POWER.

In the mid-90s I studied karate at a school run by a lesbian.

She was a terrific teacher.

But she put other lesbians in teaching positions who were not qualified to teach, she pointlessly offended the straight guys, the school became factionalized, and it fell apart.

These people are chauvinists and sexists.

And they want power -- which at this point they have.

We all know they control the liberal media -- such as the NY Times; but they also have tremendous power in the religious right.

And that's it.

That's both sides of the culture wars.

Since [NW's boss] ATTACKED a masculine male it's somehow ok and acceptable because the fact is our sick society has come to hate the masculine male and to love the ball-ess, man-phobics. This is yet one more example that our society is the historical and traditional EXCEPTION and NOT the norm.

That too is correct.

Like the unbridled promiscuity of the gay male sexual revolution, like pansexualism itself, there's never been a society which treated men and masculinity the way ours does.

It has created tremendous strains and done almost unimaginable damage.

As for myself connecting the dots, honestly, I connected the dots a long time ago as a child. I saw the degeneration of society. I have witnessed the destruction of the brotherhood of man for a long time now.

Right.

As a child, I realized there was a huge disconnect between the historic ideal of masculinity and the way men were now expected to behave.

And that such was particularly so with men who loved men.

Eventually I came out and became a Gay Liberationist, because I thought that was the way to liberate those men.

And in some respects it was.

But the rise of anal, the consumerist promiscuity, the constant denigration of Frot and masculinity, the adulation of drag, and the growing power of the lesbian-feminists, gender-feminists, and queer theorists within the gay movement convinced me that neither the movement nor the community was acting in the interests of men.

MEN.

Truth is, both the mythic IDEAL and historic REALITY of MEN have been totally lost.

In their stead we have analism, effeminization, vaginization, and man-phobia.

I have watched the man-phobia and hatred grow and have even been the victim of that societal psychosis more than once. For along time I kept my observations silent and hidden until the day I decided to start fighting back against the psychotics who now rule over us. And, YES, they ARE psychotics! It is their own male-hatred that has driven them right into the arms of psychosis. They are obsessed with their hatred and man-hating to the point that it now rules over them.

When will the masculine male start fighting back? When will the masculine male STOP being silent and stop laying down and taking it? When will the masculine male stand up and shout that he's had enough and he's not going to take any more? When will the masculine male start being MASCULINE again? When will he begin to HONOR the WARRIOR within him instead of continuing to DISHONOR his innate inner WARRIOR?

Right.

What I'm trying to get across to you and what Robert's trying to get across to you is that you can't have it both ways.

In an earlier post, which I doubt anyone understood, I quoted Muriel Spark to the effect that the price of allowing false opinions to dominate your own is the inability to form and maintain TRUE ones.

Do you understand that?

If when someone asks, you agree that anal is cool; if when someone asks, you agree that real guys aren't into other guys -- it doesn't take long before you start believing those things.

Believing them not just in your brain, but in your heart of hearts.

This is something else I said:

Half of you are living in buttboy land.

The other half are living in vaginized straightboy land.

In both places, you're boys.

NOT MEN.

NONE OF YOU ARE LIVING IN YOUR OWN LAND.

IN THE LAND OF MEN WHO LOVE MEN.

NONE OF YOU are living there.

Instead you live lies.

If you're gay-identified, you hang out with the buttboyz and go along to get along.

If you're straight-identified, you hang with the heteros and pretend other men don't exist.

But they do exist.

When you lie like that, when you live a lie like that, you pay a terrible price.

You KILL your inner WARRIOR.

Den Shanahan asked ARE THERE REALLY WARRIORS?

The answer, clearly, is NO.

The warriors are dead.

You killed them.

YOU killed HIM -- your *own* inner warrior.

Is he gone irrevocably?

No.

You have the power to bring him back to life.

But you have to act.

WARRIORS ACT.

MacArthur: old soldiers never die, they just fade away.

EXACTLY.

A warrior without a mission fades; he becomes a ghost.

That's what's happened to you.

You're shadows.

Invisible "men."

Robert keeps calling upon you to act.

I keep calling upon you to act.

When will you do it?

Masculine men have got to STAND UP and stop licking up the vomit that there is something wrong with them! Masculine males need to start confronting the psycho's obsessed with male hatred and start shouting back to them that there is nothing wrong with the masculine male but there IS something wrong with the man-phobics!

There come times in human history when societies true and honorable warriors must stand up and meet the battle. I propose that NOW is such a time! How much longer will masculine males continue to submit to the insanity of society? MEN ARE UNDER ATTACK! What part of that do you reading this not understand? The psychotic man-haters in the world see YOU as the ENEMY to be destroyed. When will YOU start to defend yourselves? It's never wrong for a masculine male warrior to defend himself BTW. But, it is wrong to just lay down and take all the attacks without doing anything to stop the attacks.

Right.

If someone shoves a shit sandwich in your face, what do you do?

Eat it?

That's de facto what most of you are doing.

When what you should be doing is taking that sandwich and shoving it back in his face and forcing it into his mouth and down his throat until he chokes and gags on it.

That's what you need to do.

I'm going to post about this in another message thread, but here's the reality:

When you're attacked, you MUST defend yourself.

Or you will die.

Right now you guys are dying.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, there are true warriors and then there are all the wannabe-warriors who want to sit in their arm chairs observing while doing nothing. The wanna-be's will get NOWHERE! The wanna-be's will eventually become the prey and victims of the man-phobics. It is, in the end, the true warriors who actually DO SOMETHING that will TRIUMPH and, in case you are wondering, when we do triumph we will NOT welcome the wanna-be's into our ranks!! We have NO use for armchair warriors.

That's right.

Because those warrior wanna-be's are worse then useless.

They're a drag upon everyone else.

Greg Milliken wanted to post about that and his post was so dire that I held it up.

Greg's angry because he's out there fighting and the rest of you are doing NOTHING.

Can you blame him for being angry?

Not only do you kill your own warrior, you undercut those men who are living warrior lives.

So the question is: How long will all of you masculine males let the battle against YOU go on? How long will it be before YOU stand up and START doing something to FIGHT BACK? How long will YOU continue to submit to the man-haters and the vaginized male lackeys who force you to eat their vomit of hate? How long before YOU grab your balls and decide YOU have had ENOUGH and begin to stand up and fight back? And, how long before YOU decide to be a REAL WARRIOR instead of the pussy-boy wannabe warrior that you now are?

"How long before YOU grab your balls?"

That's exactly right.

It's your balls that are under attack.

Naked Wrestler has said, it's our balls that make us male, it's our balls that make us fight.

The Man-haters and the MAN-PHOBICS want your balls.

You've already been psychically castrated.

If they can, they'll castrate you physically.

Because they don't want you to be aggressive, they don't want you to be male.

Masculine Aggressive Energy -- in Jedi's phrase.

Aggressive Masculinity -- says Naked Wrestler.

We define Masculinity as that which is NATURAL to the MALE.

Men are by nature active and aggressive, and a man naturally expresses his sexuality through the thrusting of his erect penis -- his phallus.

Male sexuality then is expressed phallically.

Not anally.

That's what they wish to take from you -- your natural male sex aggression.

And with it, your MASCULINITY.

Your MANHOOD.

That's what's at issue.

That's what's always been at issue.

Thank you Robert and NW.

© All material Copyright 2006 by Bill Weintraub. All rights reserved.

Greg Milliken

Re: MAN-PHOBIA: Fired for being into UFC

5-1-2006

Naked Wrestler, sorry to hear about you losing your job. I hope you find a better one with a better group of people soon.

This is exactly what we mean when we call these men effeminate.

Not a set of feminized behaviors such as screeching voices and limp wrists.

But the true effeminization of a man, and turning him into something less than a man, so that he hates someone who is naturally male.

That's why the definition of the word effeminacy says, "To make womanly"

To make womanly from what?

In this case, from a man.

But a man can't be a woman.

The best he can be is a castrated man with an inverted penis and artificial hormones supported by a culture of effeminacy that tells him that result is better than being a man.

But he can never be a woman.

So when we talk about effeminacy, "to make womanly" isn't the same as "to make into a woman." That is impossible.

Which is why we say there is nothing misogynist about our views.

To make as much like a woman as IS possible is what the dominate culture of effeminacy tries to do to men.

Unfortunately, to try to make a man into a woman you end up with something that is neither, and is lesser than both.

Which is why we are opposed to effeminacy.

A lot of guys think effeminacy is about a certain set of behaviors.

It's not.

Sure, when men are effeminized they generally take on those behaviors.

That's part of it, but that's not what is denigrating to men.

What's denigrating to men is being told that they should destroy themselves, and then doing it.

Why do you do it?

Why don't you fight back?

Why don't you become real men again?

Greg Milliken

Robert Loring

Re: MAN-PHOBIA: Fired for being into UFC

5-2-2006

I absolutely agree with you Greg. You CANNOT take a male and make him into a woman.

Sir Robert

Bill Weintraub

Re: MAN-PHOBIA: Fired for being into UFC

5-3-2006

Hey Robert

That's absolutely right:

"You CANNOT take a male and make him into a woman."

That's the principle of principles.

It means you cannot deny his masculinity, you cannot deny his aggression, you cannot butt-fuck him.

If you do, you invite disaster.

Greg:

Very well thought through and very well said.

Greg:

the true effeminization of a man, and turning him into something less thpan a man, so that he hates someone who is naturally male.

That's right.

They also hate those who are naturally female.

Look:

They mock men, they mock women, they mock creation.

This is something I wrote in a post titled Patrick and Bill.

We respect masculinity, and femininity, and aggression. The gay establishment respects none of these, rathers it mocks them all, and in so doing turns life in the gay male subculture into a hell of anal promiscuity, STDs, drag, attitude, and bitchiness.

Yesterday, while walking my dog, I encountered a young man on horseback.

The two -- man and horse - were very beautiful together.

Sometimes the farmboys around here will ride their horses shirtless.

And that's quite a sight -- it gives you a real sense of the union of man and animal and the mythic origins of the centaur.

Think about that.

There's a real horse.

And then there's a pantomime horse.

There are real women.

And then there are pantomime women.

If you wanted to have a child, would you go to an effeminate man -- or a woman?

Fact is, an effeminate man is no more capable of having a baby than a pantomime horse is of eating and digesting hay.

In both cases, the act is outside the biological capabilities of the creature.

So an effeminate gay man, like a pantomime horse, is a creature of burlesque.

And that's all he is.

But now there's a new phenomenon:

Pantomime men.

What's denigrating to men is being told that they should destroy themselves, and then doing it.

These are the "vaginized" metrosexuals Naked Wrestler encountered in his workplace.

They've been told they should destroy their masculinity -- and they have.

If a man likes combat sports, they suggest he has an "anger problem."

What they're trying to do is medicalize and pathologize fight sport, in just the way homosex was medicalized and pathologized in the 19th century.

In reality, it's NATURAL for guys to have sex with guys.

And it's NATURAL for guys to fight.

These are NATURAL MALE ACTIVITIES.

Truth is, a man who trains in martial arts is directing his anger appropriately.

While his critics, like NW's vaginized 20-somethings, are swallowing theirs.

Allowing it to poison their lives.

They've denied their masculinity, denied their natural male sex aggression, denied their true sexuality.

Gods denied become demons.

Creatures of the shadow.

And what comes from the shadow is death and destruction.

In the 70s, analist gay men created "backroom bars" -- rooms without natural or artificial light, pitch black, into which they went to anonymously fuck and get fucked.

They treated each other like pseudo-women.

Sluts and whores.

They gave each other HIV.

They murdered each other.

They died.

YET TO THIS DAY, FEMINISTS PRAISE AND SUPPORT EFFEMINACY IN GAY MEN.

Of course effeminacy is destructive of masculinity, and to them, anything which destroys masculinity is a social good.

However, as every gay man knows, effeminacy and drag are acutely misogynist.

In this case, it seems, the man-haters have embraced the woman-haters, the pantomime women the pantomime men.

They deserve each other.

© All material Copyright 2006 by Bill Weintraub. All rights reserved.